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jonoandapril
Hatchling
United Kingdom
171 Posts |
 Posted - 29/11/2011 : 19:15:38
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| yeah, its not a full grown one lol, he has been bitten by it a couple of times and is still confident to handle. he is supervised at all times. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2011 : 20:20:46
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In my opinion any two year old is not competent enough to handle an undomesticated animal such as a reptile, both for the safety of the animal and the child. I do think its important to expose children to animals but the term 'confident to handle' can't apply to such a young child. The second worrying thing is that the snake has proven that it is not a suitable animal for a 2 year old, a quick strike and tag is all good and well for an adult, makes you jump but even for an adult when a snake clamps on and won't let go its a painful experience and dealing with such a situation requires staying still and calm something which a child would find difficult even without a carpet python clamped onto their face.
I don't know about anyone else but I would be more cautious than to allow a snake to get into a position it could bite a toddler. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2011 : 20:38:34
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Originally posted by adamasrc
sounds like natural selection to me mike ;)
yeah, doesnt it just!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2011 : 22:26:20
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Originally posted by jonoandapril
yeah, its not a full grown one lol, he has been bitten by it a couple of times and is still confident to handle. he is supervised at all times.
I guessed it wasnt fully grown, the result of that would be disastrous to say the least.
I dont even let other adults handle a snake that i know is bitey, let alone a 2 year old child!!!!
Snakes carry both salmonella and pseudamonas, not a major bother for an adult, but totally different story for a child.
Incidentally, if you child has been bitten, you implied on the face, how would you feel if the snake went for something shiney, like an eye??? Carpets are quite well known for striking hard enough to snap their own teeth off in what they bite, exactly how do you think you would explain your child being blind in one eye from a snake that you not only knew bites, but has previously bitten your child???
Words fail to express how moronically stupid i think this is.
You say he is supervised at all times, are you fast enough to get between your child and the snake when it strikes???? |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 29/11/2011 : 23:17:59
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I have to second what Mike says there I'm afraid. If you play with fire you'll get burnt.
Could you live with yourself if your son ended up with a bad injury due to you continuing to let him have contact with a nippy snake. For his,and your sake I hope you reconsider this. |
      
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jonoandapril
Hatchling
United Kingdom
171 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 09:52:01
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righto guys, lets grip this before it gets out of hand.
the carpet in question is smaller than any of the other snakes i have, even the younger corn. it is also easier to handle as its a climber. when it struck it didnt leave a mark, draw blood or break any teeth. i wasnt talking about a strike yesterday, or even in the last couple of months. it was a one off where the kid learned that the snake wasnt happy, and he doesnt get in its face any more. incidently, at the time the snake was taken away straight away and my lad wasnt allowed to handle for a few days (despite asking). there was no latching on or anything like that or obviously he would not be handling any more at all.
do you really think id allow my child to be exposed to serious danger with a snake that bites all the time? obviously if he was getting nipped all the time i wouldnt let him hold it anymore, but he doesnt because he is more confident (and learned a valuable lesson of not putting your face in a snakes), and the snake is more relaxed.
cheers for your concern, and im sorry if it sounded like i was letting my kid get mauled by an 8 foot killing machine, but it just isnt the case. all i was trying to say is that even after a nip, even a child is still eager to handle.
cheers for the debrief guys, just what i needed.
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1x amel corn (tango)
1x carolina corn (pepsi)
1x carpet python (butch)
1x normal royal (rachel)
1x bumblebee royal
wishlist: abbotts okeetee female, crawl cay boa, emerald tree boa |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 14:14:02
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Originally posted by jonoandapril
righto guys, lets grip this before it gets out of hand.
the carpet in question is smaller than any of the other snakes i have, even the younger corn. it is also easier to handle as its a climber. when it struck it didnt leave a mark, draw blood or break any teeth. i wasnt talking about a strike yesterday, or even in the last couple of months. it was a one off where the kid learned that the snake wasnt happy, and he doesnt get in its face any more. incidently, at the time the snake was taken away straight away and my lad wasnt allowed to handle for a few days (despite asking). there was no latching on or anything like that or obviously he would not be handling any more at all.
do you really think id allow my child to be exposed to serious danger with a snake that bites all the time? obviously if he was getting nipped all the time i wouldnt let him hold it anymore, but he doesnt because he is more confident (and learned a valuable lesson of not putting your face in a snakes), and the snake is more relaxed.
cheers for your concern, and im sorry if it sounded like i was letting my kid get mauled by an 8 foot killing machine, but it just isnt the case. all i was trying to say is that even after a nip, even a child is still eager to handle.
cheers for the debrief guys, just what i needed.
Didnt break the skin eh?
I have been bitten more times than i care to remember by out of the egg carpet pythons, baby royal pythons, baby burmese pythons, all days, if not hours old, the one thing they all had in common, every single one of them, is that they broke the skin, every time without fail.
Sorry, but i think you are trying to save face. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 14:36:07
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| Back to the original post, How is it going Volvagia? Have you handled him as yet? Believe me he is alot more scarred of you than you of him! Just be calm and don't think about what you are doing. Have your mate there with you and just talk about anything to take your mind off what you are doing. Good Luck. |
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ozziesmum
Yearling
United Kingdom
736 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 16:43:34
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| Volvagia, I can almost hear you saying "a lot easier said than done", I was in a similar situation as you are now but with mine there were 2 living in one viv and both at 2.5 - 3 feet long and neither had been handled for months and I wasn't just wary of snakes I was terrified and only rescued them to help someone out, and yes each time I slid the viv door open to check they were alright I got greeted by 4 beady little eyes watching my every move pooing my pants became a very real possibility but I had agreed to take them on and it was my responsibilty to do my best for them. I won't say that I wasn't hissed at, tail rattled at and even struck at numerous times in the first few days but not once did either of them make any attempt to bite and they could have done easily, but in the end I just had to bite the bullet and go for it, I live on my own so no one else was going to do it for me. What helped for my 2 was every time I went into the room for whatever reason I made a point of always opening the vivs and talking to them both and then putting my hands in as well so that they knew my voice and smell. The first few times are going to be hard for you but you'll feel so proud of yourself once you've done it they'll be no stopping you. |
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Volvagia
Snake Mite
16 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 17:41:31
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Managed to pick him up earlier today. I touched him gently and that triggered him to slither away, so I quickly picked him up and had him handled. I'll try again later tonight; how frequently should I handle him per day per hour to get him used to me?
Also, afew nights back my roomie got him out and we put him in his feeding box. Ate two pinkies right away. He eats like a horse! Well, a snake, but you get the idea... heck of a happy eater. |
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adamasrc
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 19:19:25
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| Perseverence is the key volvy keep it up mate and keep us posted |
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
8403 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 20:13:44
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 well done! just once or twice a day, just for a few mins a time, up by an extra few mins after a week |
     
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 30/11/2011 : 20:37:50
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good effort, one thing though, try not to be too tentative, just pick up, dont touch beforehand, just nice and smooth, one action, in pick up. I am confident that if you do that, he will never bite you, unless you have a raging monster of a snake!
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Volvagia
Snake Mite
16 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 00:30:33
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Lol bugger, today I handled him about four different times as I think someone here posted that if you did it that many times per day for a week then they settle down really quickly. Anyway, much more confident after today; Volvy by the fourth time was even slivering through my fingers, whereas before he was too cautious to.
Feel sorry for the wee guy though, he'll get more peace tomorrow! Cheers guys, been a massive help - Volvy will send his regards too. :) |
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stuart619
Hatchling
United Kingdom
230 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 07:37:43
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It seems that you are developing a bond there Volvagia. That all you need really. You will get to know your snakes mood and be able to read him without even opening the viv and at the same time he will get use to you.
Well done on the progress. Keep it up |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 09:37:17
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I've had baby corns still in eggies break my skin on my hand and fingers before lol
You just have to keep at it :) Well done. |
   
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
8403 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 16:36:00
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| Bet you had a huge grin lol! Next time someone posts that they are a teeny bit nervous, you can help them! Have you done a handling pic yet? but i do believe you! would just like to see the pic |
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 20:54:17
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| Yay, nice one |
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Katie.Dublin
Sub Adult
Ireland
1560 Posts |
Posted - 01/12/2011 : 21:39:57
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Originally posted by jonoandapril
yeah, its not a full grown one lol, he has been bitten by it a couple of times and is still confident to handle. he is supervised at all times.
Guys take a chill pill! Obviously the child isn't FORCED to hold the snake! Im not getting images of a little boy locked in a viv lol. What's the harm in him getting a little nip. Puppies and kittens rip the hands off kids when they're playing! No need for dramatics :) |
     
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