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Originally posted by mikerichards

Do you mean the stargazing in boas? Its IBD, something bone disorder. Its also available in royal flavour too, and is incredibly contagious. In royals it tends to kill them very quickly, i heard of a method used a while ago about keeping a royal in with the boa, if it died the boa was killed.
IBD has no treatment, it has no means of being tested for either, the only way to truely diagnose is with a tissue sample, and that cant be done until the snake has died, so it does lead to a lot of vets crying IBD and euthanising a snake with no proof.

Are you also thinking MBD? Metabolic Bone Disorder? Common in leopard Geckos, or any lizards really, due to a lack of calcium in their diet their bones grow week and go bendy! we had one with MBD, she looked like she had rickets!

The head wobble on royals is only really prevalent in Spiders, they are a naturally occuring morph from the wild, and as such not really man made, but it can be exaggerated by breeding spider to spider.

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Originally posted by HannahB

the spider morphs wobble isnt a 'mad made' problem.. the first spider morph found in the wild had a head wobble and so pretty much all spiders have it as its genetic and they all decend from the same one, spider siblings (which carry the gene for spider but dont display it) dont usually display the symptoms but they carry it - put two carriers together and any spider hatchlings will have the wobble,obviously some arent as affected as others but its present,
with corns theres idea's floating that blizzards are prone to be fussy eaters but im not convinced..my zero is a great little eater - he doesnt eat when blue but apart from that he strikes and constricts every time..
i seem to remember some one mentioning bloodreds being fussy eaters in a similar thread but im not sure..

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iv read that kinks, abnormalities and other similar things can happen as a result of being incubated at the wrong temperature..things like organs missing and spinal problems, i guess that counts as a man made problem

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Sorry Hannah, there is no such thing as a Het Spider. Spider is a dominant gene.

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Sorry Matty, but there is such thing as het Spider - but because its dominant, it looks exactly the same as a homozygous Spider

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Agreed (if there were a homozygous Spider )

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Originally posted by HannahB

the spider morphs wobble isnt a 'mad made' problem.. the first spider morph found in the wild had a head wobble and so pretty much all spiders have it as its genetic and they all decend from the same one, spider siblings (which carry the gene for spider but dont display it) dont usually display the symptoms but they carry it - put two carriers together and any spider hatchlings will have the wobble,obviously some arent as affected as others but its present,
with corns theres idea's floating that blizzards are prone to be fussy eaters but im not convinced..my zero is a great little eater - he doesnt eat when blue but apart from that he strikes and constricts every time..
i seem to remember some one mentioning bloodreds being fussy eaters in a similar thread but im not sure..

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iv read that kinks, abnormalities and other similar things can happen as a result of being incubated at the wrong temperature..things like organs missing and spinal problems, i guess that counts as a man made problem

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Sorry Hannah, there is no such thing as a Het Spider. Spider is a dominant gene.

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Sorry Matty, but there is such thing as het Spider - but because its dominant, it looks exactly the same as a homozygous Spider

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Agreed (if there were a homozygous Spider )

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there is

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