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paula houghton
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 20/04/2010 : 21:22:58
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if i put the heat mat on the floor of the tank, were is the best place to put his false stone hide, on top of the mat on the heat soures os on the cool side? all advices most wecome thanks  |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/04/2010 : 21:59:06
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| If the hide has its own floor then in the cold end, if it has no floor and sits on the substrate then on the warm side. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/04/2010 : 22:08:09
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You need a hide at both the hot and the cool end.
I would put the heaviest hide you have ontop of the heatmat to weight it down. |
   
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paula houghton
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/04/2010 : 22:53:42
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 20/04/2010 : 23:28:47
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
You need a hide at both the hot and the cool end.
I would put the heaviest hide you have ontop of the heatmat to weight it down.
Not if the hide has its own bottom as the heat won't penetrate it properly. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
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0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2010 : 08:07:26
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Originally posted by DannyBrown91
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
You need a hide at both the hot and the cool end.
I would put the heaviest hide you have ontop of the heatmat to weight it down.
Not if the hide has its own bottom as the heat won't penetrate it properly.
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2010 : 11:47:03
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| I guess it depends on what the hide is made out of, put its probably either like a clay which is what the exo terra ones are like, polymer or a polystyreine. All of which would stop the heat penetrating to certain extent so will not get the heat that the snake needs. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2010 : 12:38:05
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| I guess something like a cardbox box it wouldn't really matter then specially if it is something like a shoe box. |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2010 : 13:03:23
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| Wouldn't matter if it was a a box or something which you used as a hide, just the shop bought ones like the exoterra snake cave. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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dazb
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/04/2010 : 16:41:16
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| As long as you take the temperature reading from inside the hide, and set your thermostat accoringly it doesnt matter if the hide has a bottom or not really. |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 21/04/2010 : 17:36:28
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Originally posted by dazb
As long as you take the temperature reading from inside the hide, and set your thermostat accoringly it doesnt matter if the hide has a bottom or not really.
But then the outside of the hide would be too hot as the hide wouldn't take up the whole of the warm side. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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reptiledanny
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/04/2010 : 19:19:41
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| very true, plus if the snake buried under the hide then he could get burned. so therefore you would need the stat probe under the hide but then the hide wouldn't get hot enough if it had a bottom. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/04/2010 : 22:38:20
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As long as you take the temperature reading from inside the hide, and set your thermostat accoringly it doesnt matter if the hide has a bottom or not really.
Not really a good idea, if the temp differential is 10 degrees, then the hide maybe at 30 but the mats at 40, which is less than ideal.
Always always take the temp reading from the mat itself, that way if the snake does com into contact with it (and he will) then you are safe knowing it wont be too hot. |
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paula houghton
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/04/2010 : 18:38:37
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| sorry another mat question, after looking at mats on line i am now aware that they come in diffrent wattage mine is 20 watts am i best getting one with a lower wattage as is a small viv :) |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/04/2010 : 18:46:55
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| Bigger wattage normally means the heat matt is bigger. 20 watts is normally a 17 x 11. I would say buy a heatmat that will fit into a the viv that the snake will be when it's older if it is in a faun. This way you save money. If the snake is is a wooden viv then you will need to buy a heat mat that covers 1/3 to 1/2 of the floor. |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 18:53:14
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Like staple said, bigger watage = bigger mat. Depending on what size viv/faun you have you need a mat which will take up around 1/3 - 1/2 of the floor space.
Its easier if you try to find the size of the mat rather than the wattage. |
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0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
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paula houghton
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2010 : 15:51:49
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| hi all, sorry another mat question. am still havin trouble with temps, with my first mat iwas getting readings of 38=39c so went an got a smaller mat put it on the floor of tank and it was reading 34=36c so i took it out and put it under tank, it hardly made any diffrence atall, so of i went and brought another mat even smaller and only 7 watts, yet my readings are still 30-31c would this temp still be to warm dont know what to do now and cant keep buyin mats. any advice will be gratfully accepted! :) |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 30/04/2010 : 16:01:20
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Do you not have a thermostat?
Thats what is used to control the temperatures. The heatmat needs to be big enough to cover 1/3 - 1/2 of the floorspce of the "tank" and then regulated by a thermostat to keep the mat at the needed temperature. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
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0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2010 : 19:01:47
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The mat size you had first would probably have been perfect no? It doesn't matter what size the mat is, they all still heat up to around the same temp.
As danny aid, you need a stat and it allows you to control the the temp and the hottest you can set it is 34 |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 30/04/2010 : 19:24:42
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| Actually the hottest the stats go is 35 but because there not 100% accurate they can get hotter. That is why an accurate thermometer is so important. |
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0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/05/2010 : 03:55:28
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Originally posted by paula houghton
hi all, sorry another mat question. am still havin trouble with temps, with my first mat iwas getting readings of 38=39c so went an got a smaller mat put it on the floor of tank and it was reading 34=36c so i took it out and put it under tank, it hardly made any diffrence atall, so of i went and brought another mat even smaller and only 7 watts, yet my readings are still 30-31c would this temp still be to warm dont know what to do now and cant keep buyin mats. any advice will be gratfully accepted! :)
You talk about a tank Paula, does this mean that your corn is in a glass/plastic faun? If so then the mat needs to be outside the tank with an airgap between it and the tank base (I am NO EXPERT with this as have only dealt with wooden vivs, but am almost sure this is right).
You need to make sure that the mat is covering one-third of the tank floorspace and is connected to a stat to control the heat of the mat (I know this has already been mentioned but it is important enough to be repeated). You need to have the probe for the stat and the probe for a digital thermometer within the tank touching the base, as this will then measure the heat coming through from the mat (again, as far as I know this is right but you could do with this being confirmed by someone who uses fauns and heatmats outside their tanks).
You dont want a temp that is higher that 30oC as it can be dangerous to your snake. If you are getting that then I would suggest you turn the mat off until you have a stat to control it. You can keep an eye on the temp (it sounds like you do have a digital thermometer) and can turn the heatmat on when the temp drop below approx 26oC....but you must switch it off again once it reaches 30oC and leave it off overnight - all the while it is unstatted it can heat up too much. If you do have a stat then I would suggest that it is malfunctioning and you need to replace it as soon as possible.
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yet a nother question.
