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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
 Posted - 01/04/2010 : 17:32:37
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ive just bought a VX48 vivexotic viv (4ftx1.5ftx1.5ft) and its currently in my dining room in its box, waiting to be assembled. Now, i wasnt going to move Blaze into it for another 2 months at least (he's about 1" short of 2" at the moment).
But, for the last few evenings he's been exploring all over his faunarium! i mean, he's coming out earlier and is constantly trying to climb up to the lid and wont stay still! Ive just noticed he's becomming cloudy, so think he'll shed next week and last time he shed he grew by about 4"!
My question - do u think this means he's ready for a bigger home? Obviously im gonna pad out his new viv with lots of hides and plants and logs, but im thinking that maybe i should move him in 1 month, instead of 2??? |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 17:52:03
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| Do you mean 1" short of 2ft? Sorry I'm stupid ._. I really wouldn't do it until he's 3ft...but that's just me. I would put him in smaller RUB's in the big viv though until he's big enough if that makes any sense. |
   
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 18:00:24
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thats makes sense Staple - yeahi meant 1" short of 2 FOOT! LOL!
not got any RUBS tho, so may leave it until he's nearer 3 months! just so odd how's he's got ALOT more active! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 18:48:36
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| I certainly wouldn't move him up yet, a 4 foot viv is massive for snake so small. I would wait untill he has outgrown his faun and then section the viv off to a minimum of 3 foot. He should be good in that faun till he is around 2.5 foot. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
Location: Liverpool |
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Karl
Hatchling
United Kingdom
121 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:15:23
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| So long as the new viv has lots of decor etc then there is no reason you can't put him in it |
ooops, I bought another......... |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:16:43
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| hmmm, mixed opinons! i dont know what to do! Altho, the sectioning the viv off to 3ft and packing it out well sounds good! Already bought him some new plants+bigger hides for it! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 01/04/2010 : 19:21:44
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| You could section the viv off to 3 foot pack it out and he should be fine, then you could extend it further when he gets a bit bigger. I certainly wouldn't just put him from a 1.5 foot rub into a 4 foot viv. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
Location: Liverpool |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 04:59:11
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I would definitely agree with Danny on this one.
I know that people do have differing opinions on putting small snakes into large vivs....but my PERSONAL OPINION, from what I have read and witnessed with the change in Silvesta when I moved him out of his big viv and into Kellog's smaller one....is that smaller is better. Yes, you can pack out a big viv with lots of hides and plants etc, but one problem I found was the stress caused to me and Silvesta when it came time to get him out - he had a lot of space to cause chaos in! Once in the smaller viv he was a lot calmer and easier to catch....and there was less space to chase him round!
Leave him in the faun he is in until his length = the length and depth of the faun....that is the time when he will need to be moved into something bigger.
Sectioning the viv sounds perfect, so that you dont have to do the different size RUBs until Blaze is big enough for your new viv. You just need to be careful how you section it off to make sure there are no gaps for him to squeeze through - but I am sure those who are 'good with their hands' can give you some advice on how best to do this.
As for his behaviour and being a lot more active....it is THAT time of year I am afraid - I have a 4'6" snake constantly trying to squeeze through a gap in the glass where there isnt one  and climbing the walls, redecorating his viv, etc....in other words, he is horny!
It might not be that in Blaze's case, of course, but maybe it is purely the change in the season and he has woken up after the winter 
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elament
Yearling
United Kingdom
942 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 11:40:31
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In my experience I have put both of mine into big vivs with no ill effects. Colin came with a three foot viv when he was about the same size as your snake and he was fine. Xena "chose" to move into her 2 foot viv (at the time she was about 14") as she was residing in an rub inside the viv and i accidently left the lid open one night to find the following morning she had moved out of the rub and into the viv. I left the rub in for a few days but she never used it so I took it out. Both my snakes are super laid back though so what worked for me may not apply to a snake that is say nervous. I will also add that both snakes hid for the first few weeks but after that both are super chilled and very confident in their homes. I will also add both vivs are packed with decor from end to end so that the snake can move from one end to the other totally under cover and hidden.
Cheers
Steve
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1.1.0 Amel Corns Colin and Xena
1.0.0 Dog Talan
1.1.0 Cats Wotsit and Willow
1.0.0 Ferret Chaos
Location: Lowestoft Suffolk |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 12:01:13
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| if i do move him in the next 4-6 weeks, wether i cut the viv down from 4ft to 3ft, il still be packing it very tightly with hides and plants to make him comfy!! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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elament
Yearling
United Kingdom
942 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 12:47:16
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In my opinion (and it is only that) the mistake some people make is to get a viv slap in two hides and a water bowl and thats it and then wonder why their snake is stressed and they never see it. I think if you pack out the viv with lots of hiding places and provide the snake with an undercover route from one hide to the other there isnt much problem. Afterall in the wild there isnt some bloke going round stuffing all the newly hatched snakes into rubs so they feel secure. Its in the snakes nature to feel vulnerable to attack when moving from place to place to thermoregulate and I assume in the wild they would naturally seek cover to traverse between hiding places. If you provide them with that cover there isnt a problem. In my experience (and its only that) the snake quickly learns that its viv is a safe place and after a settling in period they soon become very bolshi. Both of mine now move around their vivs leisurely showing no panick whatsoever and are very often sat right up the front of the viv watching their owner.
Like I said in my earlier post this does apply to my two but I am not in anyway saying that just because it worked for me then it applies to all corns as in my experience they are all individuals and as such have individual needs. Its just a case of working out what works for your snake. All I know is I have done both the same way with the same result so it worked for me!
Cheers
Steve
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1.1.0 Amel Corns Colin and Xena
1.0.0 Dog Talan
1.1.0 Cats Wotsit and Willow
1.0.0 Ferret Chaos
Location: Lowestoft Suffolk |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 12:56:52
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He should be ok in a packed out 3 foot viv, although that also depends on what your snake is like. But a 4 foot may just be a bit too big for such a little corn.
But i would wait till he has out grown his faun, untill then you may aswell leave him where he is. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
Location: Liverpool |
Edited by - DannyBrown91 on 02/04/2010 12:57:56 |
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elament
Yearling
United Kingdom
942 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 13:20:35
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Yep I agree with that. I should add to my earlier post that although I have housed mine in what may be considered to be vivs that were too large that common sence still does have to be applied. I dont think I would put a snake that size into a four foot I would partition it to three first then remove the partition as he grows on.
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1.1.0 Amel Corns Colin and Xena
1.0.0 Dog Talan
1.1.0 Cats Wotsit and Willow
1.0.0 Ferret Chaos
Location: Lowestoft Suffolk |
Edited by - elament on 02/04/2010 13:21:32 |
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elament
Yearling
United Kingdom
942 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 15:17:16
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| Also (sorry to be going on but this just occured to me) we all know its a big deal moving a snake into a new viv. In my experience it takes a while for the snake to feel "safe" in its new enviroment so moving home for them is always a big deal which I have no doubt causes them some anxiety. Is it not therefore better to try to "limit" the amount of times they have to go through the process of getting them used to new accomodation. If this is the case surely partitioning a larger viv is preferable as when you remove the partition the viv will still have all of the smells and familiarity of the "old viv" and therefore be less stressfull for the snake? |
1.1.0 Amel Corns Colin and Xena
1.0.0 Dog Talan
1.1.0 Cats Wotsit and Willow
1.0.0 Ferret Chaos
Location: Lowestoft Suffolk |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 17:11:41
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quote:
Originally posted by elament
Also (sorry to be going on but this just occured to me) we all know its a big deal moving a snake into a new viv. In my experience it takes a while for the snake to feel "safe" in its new enviroment so moving home for them is always a big deal which I have no doubt causes them some anxiety. Is it not therefore better to try to "limit" the amount of times they have to go through the process of getting them used to new accomodation. If this is the case surely partitioning a larger viv is preferable as when you remove the partition the viv will still have all of the smells and familiarity of the "old viv" and therefore be less stressfull for the snake?
The same scents will stillbe around because they are in the same house and stuff and still have your scent around them. you could also put in someof their old substrate which will have their scent on, its more the change in size which would be the main thing.
When i move mine im not going to bother with RUB's i don't think, once they outgrow their faun i will move them into a packed out viv, although its still going to be a while before that happens. Especially for Candy who is absolutely tiny. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
Location: Liverpool |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 02/04/2010 : 18:04:46
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| cheers for everyones replies! Gonna assemble my viv on tuesday evening, but wont put him in it until he's at least 2.5ft long, so prob another 6-8 weeks! Assembling it more because i want to jig furniture around+make sure it fits where i want it to go! Need to buy a bigger heatmat+new thermostat for it still! But will defo pack it out ALOT! Il make sure that he can easily go from one side to the other without being seen! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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is he ready for his new home?
