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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 04/03/2010 : 15:55:31
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I was walking the dog on country park this morning where i saw a wild snake it was black and white like a zig zag pattern it was not a corn or king snake and then some women who was walking her dogs said to me its an adder snake with mild toxic venom enough for it to kill some thing small. I had no idea we had wild venomous snakes here in the UK.  |
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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
2197 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 16:02:12
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Forgot to say that this adder i saw looked like it had a very big feast on something i wish i had my camera with me so i could have taken a few pics it was a stunning snake.  |
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Azzheasman
Hatchling
United Kingdom
193 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 16:25:08
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| they are very pretty snakes as far as im aware they are the only native venomous snake in the uk can grow to be pretty big from what i hear |
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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
2197 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 16:41:54
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Originally posted by Azzheasman
they are very pretty snakes as far as im aware they are the only native venomous snake in the uk can grow to be pretty big from what i hear
What do you mean by native venomous ? And this Adder was quite big i wish i had my camera.  |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 17:02:25
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There are only two snakes native to the UK 1 of which is the adder, a mildly venemous snake, not much of a threat to humans but enough venom to kill smaller prey. The other is grass snakes which are non venemous constrictors.
Im sure Adders are normly of black and brown colouring. But the zig zag type pattern fits. |
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BlueTongueDan
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1462 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 17:07:22
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Awesome!
Shame you couldn't have got any photos.
I cant wait for it to get a lil warmer and start going out looking for snakes again, I looove the summer!  |
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BlueTongueDan
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 17:08:48
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Originally posted by DannyBrown91
There are only two snakes native to the UK 1 of which is the adder, a mildly venemous snake, not much of a threat to humans but enough venom to kill smaller prey. The other is grass snakes which are non venemous constrictors.
Im sure Adders are normly of black and brown colouring. But the zig zag type pattern fits.
Dont forget the Smooth Snake.
Rare, but they are here.
http://www.uksafari.com/smoothsnakes.htm
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Fal
Hatchling
United Kingdom
245 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 17:23:20
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Was just going to mention the smooth snake.. not that I have ever seen one lol but I've always wanted to see one of our UK snakes in the wild, but never have :(
My Fiancee said she used to see wild snakes around the lakes she lived by in Bedfordshire, but she never knew what species they were.
You're soooo lucky to see an Adder though! I've spent many a time in the lake district walking, fishing and bird watching, not to mention all over the country and have never seen one. |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 18:05:17
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I've been doing some research recently on Adders, purely because I've been tagged a couple times in the past and used to catch them when I was little and I found out that surprisingly their venom is actually incredibly toxic.
It is capable of killing humans, but it's very rarely that the adder will release venom when biting non-prey items.
Allegedly they have the ability to think before releasing venom, because if they bite a human and release venom, then it's gonna be a good few weeks before they develop enough venom again to kill prey.
When they bite it's more likely that you'd get envenomised with traces of venom off the fangs, or if you react badly then it's venom sacs could be full so you've had a small drip injected in when it bit.
Some people have really bad reactions, others don't.
I just went all jaundice armed, one of my mates had incredibly bad breathing issues.
It totally depends, just make sure you're nowhere near Southampton when it happens, they are poo for anti-venom. |
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Kare
Egg
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 18:18:02
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Odd that you wouldnt have heard of Adders. There are signs on many walks we take here warning they bask in that area.
Maybe not able to kill a human but would require a visit to the hospital, more urgent though would be a speedy vet visit if your dog was envenomed, even at 35kg I would tornique and try to carry my GSD back after a bite than risk her spreading the posion. Being the weight of a child it would be enough to cause serious long term issues, though probably not death. Small dog owners would quite possibly lose the dog without speedy vet interaction. |
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matty18714
The Count of Corniness
United Kingdom
4428 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 18:34:19
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You are lucky to have seen one.
Berus are capable of killing people, many people with no actual knowledge will compare its bite with a bee sting, this is ridiculous.
At this time of year they are coming out of brumation. Berus are dimorphic with females being darker.
It is illegal to keep this species without a DWA license.
And as Dan said, we have 3 native species. |
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kevgerb46
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 19:12:50
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| smooth snake? dont u mean slow worm? when i was young me and my mates used to catch slow worms and grass snakes for fun, as for adders my mates jack russel got bit by one once and was dead in about 4 hours the local vet told him the venom was too powerfull for him and it had gave him a heartattack. im from the country and nearly 40 and ive only ever seen 2 adders in the wild, but my dad said when he was young there were more of them than there are now, and the more of the countryside we commercialise the less there is for them. eventually they will die out, and what a shame that will be as they are an absolutely fantastic looker. |
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matty18714
The Count of Corniness
United Kingdom
4428 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 19:21:33
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The smooth snake, Coronella austriaca, is a very rare uk native snake. The slow worm, Anguis fragilis, is a common native lizard.
It is worth noting that Berus are not endangerd, they arnt going anywhere, you just need to know where to look.
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 19:41:35
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I didnt know about the smooth snake, i guess you learn something new everyday. As for the venom i didnt realise it was that potent.
I've never heard of a snake being able to control weather or not it invenomates, but when i think about it i remember watching a programme that was saying baby snakes are much more dangerous to be bitten by as they cant control the amount of venom released and simply releases all the venom it has stored. |
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Sammysnake
Yearling
United Kingdom
606 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 20:02:12
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| I know a landscape gardener who was bitten by an Adder and he said it was incredibly painful. I remember seeing loads of slow worms and lizards with legs when I was a kid but they seem much rarer now. Also when playing in a friend's garden when I was about 10 I saw a bright green snake heading through the rough grass at the back. No one believed me but I know what I saw. It must have been an escaped pet. |
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Kare
Egg
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 20:46:35
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| Yeah now is not the time to get bitten the venom will have been able to build up over the winter when they have been inactive and I have heard therefore far more potent |
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Posted - 04/03/2010 : 21:36:35
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i'v come across grass snakes when i used to do landscaping, not seen an adder though...i think they arn't seen very often is probably down to the snakes. more likely to get bitten treding on one without seeing it than it attacking you.
only wild snake incounters i'v had apart from grass sankes are a bloody huge long dark snake on a french sand dune(i was only 7 so it might have just seem bigger!) and a 4 foot thing that lived on a small rocky island in the middle of a small lake i was removing the duck weed on. i never got close enoght to get a decent look/picuture but i was there for a week and it deffenatly lived on the island and swam. guessing its not a native lol |
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Nazzle
Hatchling
United Kingdom
138 Posts |
Posted - 04/03/2010 : 22:20:00
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| I had the first look of the year under our snake havens on the nature reserve at work (the first siting of the year of an adder on Thorne and Hatfield Moors were seen this week. No luck, although there were tracks and I did see a common lizard. I'm going to be checking once a fortnight from now on, with camera ready, so I'll hopefully have something to report (if we have put the havens in the right place). |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 05/03/2010 : 05:00:55
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Think I may have shared these pics a while ago in a post BTD did with some amazing pics he took of slow-worms, but thought it worthwhile dragging them out again.
Adder
Grass snake swimming - you can even see the underbelly scales under the water
Other Native Species:
Slow Worm
Sand Lizard - I think
Common frogs - doing what comes naturally 
Common Lizard - I think
Am almost sure this is a green lizard, but correct me if I am wrong -please!
Palmate Newt (from our garden pond)
(sorry, I went slightly overboard with the pics and totally off the topic of adders!! But our native species are so special and overlooked too easily...and so hard to find!!)
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 13:20:40
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Great pics Kellog.
Living in Dorset since birth (Lyme Regis) I have seen quite a few adders. Our family dog (now since died- old age not adder!) used to stop and bark in front of any animal, usually a hedgehog or a squirrel in a tree. But a few times we would go to a national trust park at the top of Lyme (which is slowly slipping) and we'd come across Adders. All have been on hot days in the summer. They are very pretty and their mere presence commands your respect! My Dad once picked one up with a big stick as it was on the footpath just about to join the road! It didn't strike him though! I don't think they are that vicious, they prefer to avoid confrontation unless its prey. Obviously if it were antagonised by someone (or a barking dog!) or stepped on by someone by accident they would bite. To my knowledge no one has died from a bite for over 20 years (pub ammo) but I could be wrong. They can kill but as mentioned there is rarely any venom injected other than what secretes from the fangs from previous encounters (trace) or (as Kehhlyr said) full glands.
Been bit by a grass snake! I was only about 10 and my elderly next-door neighbour asked me to "pick that long slow worm off my path please Ben?" Of course I did and WHAM! I was a brave little solider and returned it to her back hedging and shrubs before running home crying!
Got a few adder pictures on my mobile (got an SLR but EVERY time I took it to take pictures of one, we never saw them!)
As Matty said you need a licence to keep an adder and they can in fact be very poor feeders so I would question why anyone would want one (though the idea of a pet adder is cool!). Grass snakes can be kept as pets but only by someone with a good knowledge of them as they have quite a varied and specialised diet (from fish to birds eggs to toads). The only other British native snake the Smooth Snake is protected as I remember (Wildlife & Countryside Act???) and cannot be kept as a pet. If you are lucky enough to see one take a load of photos- they are rare! |
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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/03/2010 : 15:24:05
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I was doing some research when i got home after spotting this Adder and was on some website and it said that the black and white adders are males and the darker ones are females don't know if this is true but i wish i had my camera it was an amazing thing to see .
As matty said as it probly just came out of brumation and this thing was quite big and i could clearly see he had ate something large possibly a bird or a rat as it had a huge bump.
I was wondering how can Adders survive in UK with our weather being cold don't they need heat or can these's Adders survive in cold weather ?
I herd smoothe snakes are extreamly rare but i doubt i would ever see one are these's venomous as well ?
Will there be more coming out now ? Or will i have to wait until the summer , Also i was thinking to my self that was a rare spotage for me to see this Adder as snakes only come out at night right or do Adders come out of there hiding place during any time of day and night on hunt for food.?
I hope to see more in the future and will now prepare my self with a camera while walking the dog on the country park !!. |
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