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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 13/12/2009 :  20:44:01  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I have just been to a wedding over the weekend and have came back to findfluffys temps off the chart and was maybe room tempreture. I normaly keep the heating on as i am getting a thermostat for christmas. As it was soo cold in his viv, i imediatly turned the heating on and am currently holding him so he can get some warmth through my body hheat. I fed him before i went to the wedding and im not sure when the room got so cold but he has still got a slight buldge in. when i got back he was moving really slowly andhis tounge was slowly movingaswell, please please can any onetell me is everything alright with him, is thereany thing i need to look out for? thanks guys


SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
3796 Posts

Posted - 13/12/2009 :  21:04:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
What were the 2 temps?

Snakes, being ectothermic, become lethargic in the cold, hence the slow movement. Once temps are back to normal he should be fine, unless you fed him right before you went away...

Just out of interest, did you have anyone checking on him whilst you were away?

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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 13/12/2009 :  21:36:15  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Well the cold end was 58 and the warm was 61 - 63. I fed him, Then hung about for about 3 hours and then left for the wedding. I asked my mums boyfriend to check up on him but he did a rubbish job of that :@ Its really annoying that he didnt


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Blackecho
The Corn Snake Admin

United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/12/2009 :  07:11:12  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
The problem is that without heat he will not have been able to digest the food properly. If you're lucky he'll either be able to digest it now or it was far enough along before the heating went. Worst case scenario is that he won't digest the food and it will start to rot, you can imagine the rest yourself.

Keep a close eye on him, make sure that bulge goes and he defacates, if it hasn't in a couple of days I would strongly recommend a Reptile vet which is going to cost you a hell of a lot more that a £20 thermostat.



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hillzi
The Lost boy.

United Kingdom
3984 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  15:39:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I had this problem. I fed blaze when the temps were 26*, (cold weather and glass tank means heat loss) and to my amazement mousey shot through him within two nights and left me a gracious present.

Blitz seems to hold his poo for about a week though. silly snake

if you can't get temps up, theyr'e hardy critters, just hold of feeding until they go back up.
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sexychef
The Corn Snake Moderator

United Kingdom
937 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  16:21:34  Show Profile  Click to see sexychef's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
thermostats a must for reptiles. then you would have a consistant hot end temp giving your snake the best chances to thermoregulate.



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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  16:48:16  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
nice one hillzi, fluffys temps are back to normal and he is more active now and im just waiting for him to poo. I know that thermo stats are a must for reptiles now but when i was in the shop i had so much varied information coming from different shops and the internet (which by the way isnt the most helpful thing in the world, apart from this website which is the most knowledgeable one i found) i didnt know who to believe so i whent with the person in the shops opinion becasue he seemed to know what he was doing andhe also was telling me and my mum about how you dont need one right away. I managed to get my mum to by a habistat 700 watt thermostat and just waiting for christmas now. cheers everryone


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Paulusworm
The Corn Snake Moderator

United Kingdom
686 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  19:31:50  Show Profile  Click to see Paulusworm's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
What's the minimum load on the stat you've bought and which model in the Habistat range is it?

As for not having a stat in the first place I won't even go there. Anyone that knows me knows how strongly I feel on that particular subject .


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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן

United Kingdom
8173 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  20:09:28  Show Profile  Visit Kehhlyr's Homepage  Click to see Kehhlyr's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I would like to draw your attention to the following pics, they were taken about 5 mins ago, on a mat that I left without a stat to see how hot it would get.
Even I was suprised at how hot it got, yet with the stat it sits happily around the 29c mark.













There is a variation of about 10-12 degrees C across the mat.
This mat was left on the carpet with a feeding rub on top, to emulate a mat without a stat without risking damaging a snake.

However not all mats might hit this temperature, but is it a risk worth taking?
A £20-30 stat, or potentially hundreds of pounds on vet treatment, I know what I'd go for.

I'm not trying to scare-monger you, but a stat is essential, and it should be something that is purchased at the same time as the heatmat.

-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon


Edited by - Kehhlyr on 14/12/2009 20:15:40
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eeji
The Morph Master

United Kingdom
4335 Posts

Posted - 14/12/2009 :  22:18:40  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
to ANYONE without a stat, read the above post. nuff said.


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lee2308
The Corn Snake Moderator

United Kingdom
3348 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2009 :  14:38:24  Show Profile  Click to see lee2308's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
thats enough to cook a snakey


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Posted - 15/12/2009 :  15:42:18  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Truly Shocking
I cant believe people would take the chance of having a grilled snake for a pet...
Dont think of your own pocket people- think of the responsibility You have taken on with a live animal.
Great Job Kehhlyr- I think those pics should be in a Sticky.
xXx


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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2009 :  17:31:24  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I know, i regret it alot but i just going to have to keep checking the heat mat , inormally alot anyway but becasue its under plastic, doesnt seem to heat up to 70oC like the pics but they are a good example of why Poeple like me should get a stat


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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן

United Kingdom
8173 Posts

Posted - 15/12/2009 :  21:06:31  Show Profile  Visit Kehhlyr's Homepage  Click to see Kehhlyr's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by lmfastcars

I know, i regret it alot but i just going to have to keep checking the heat mat , inormally alot anyway but becasue its under plastic, doesnt seem to heat up to 70oC like the pics but they are a good example of why Poeple like me should get a stat



Not only that, it's also a good example of why shops should insist on a stat.
A high volume of shops don't tell people about the stat, and you can usually buy a 'complete' snake starter kit (viv,substrate,hides,waterbowl) for about 50-70 quid (some including snakes), but they don't seem to tell about the stat. Just in case the extra bit of equipment cost will put people off.

Also, having a stat will also cut the electricity used as well, not by a lot mind, but over the course of a couple years it builds up.

-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon

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HannahB
The Corn Snake Moderator

United Kingdom
5491 Posts

Posted - 16/12/2009 :  06:48:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
i wish more shops were like the one i go to.. he wont let you buy a set up without a stat unless you can prove that you already have one


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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 16/12/2009 :  14:04:53  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
thats a good way of doing things. the other day when i was buying fluffys substrate, a woman came in the shop asking to buy a hamster but the shopkeeper wanted her to show proof that shes got everything. It definatly adds to their reputation in my eyes and im sure in alot of other peoples to.


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Blackecho
The Corn Snake Admin

United Kingdom
4379 Posts

Posted - 16/12/2009 :  17:40:24  Show Profile  Click to see Blackecho's MSN Messenger address  Send Blackecho a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
So have you got a stat now?



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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 24/12/2009 :  14:49:24  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
not yet but in the morning as soon as i get it its gnna be set up ASAP


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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 25/12/2009 :  20:30:11  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
I've got the stat all set up now and the probe is on the heat mat at the mo because the digi themometer didn't turn up, so untill then, will the probe and the "stick on" themometers do for now?


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gingerpony
Queen Bee

United Kingdom
10455 Posts

Posted - 25/12/2009 :  21:27:34  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
the stick on type will give you a rough guide to temps and its better than nothing hun

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lmfastcars
Hatchling

United Kingdom
360 Posts

Posted - 25/12/2009 :  23:11:03  Show Profile  Click to see lmfastcars's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
:) also, should I be measuring the air temp or the floor temp, I'm pretty sure it's the floor temp but I just wanna make sure cheers everyone

Liam


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