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 Posted - 22/11/2009 : 18:06:43
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 18:21:48
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thats 4ft long by 1.4ft wide.
Too small in my opinion for 2 corns. |
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 18:41:30
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| its a double stack viv so i will be finishing the top off and maybe puting one off the corns in it |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 18:58:52
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Ok, if i were you i WOULD put the other corn in the top one as soon as you can.
why take the risk?
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HannahB
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:03:57
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| i agree with tom, id definately separate them as soon as you can - why take the risk of stress, pregnancy or even death when you have the space and facilities to separate them? |
2.0 Normal Royal Pythons - Q and Little One
1.0 Chihauhaun Mountain Kingsnake - Simba
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:14:36
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| ok i will seprate them soon as great lol means spending bout another £150 lol nevermind aslong as the snakes benefit from it :) |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:15:36
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
Cool, well if you think its acceptable to stress your snakes for no good reason, risk cannibalism, pregnancy and god knows what else, then fine.
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why take the risk of stress, pregnancy or even death when you have the space and facilities to separate them?
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:20:11
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| but u seemed not to know what u was talking but when u put together saying stress is related to pain when its not ;) |
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:20:50
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| somtink bout hiting a cat = pain lol |
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HannahB
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:32:37
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if the bigger snake decides to attack the smaller snake then it will be causing pain which will be causing stress for the smaller one,
sorry for the repeat sb |
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 19:53:08
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| yes i know what your saying hannah but sexybear did not say about atacking eachother she was talking bout stress and went on saying bout hiting a kat lol |
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 20:01:54
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| i know what iam going to do now so this topic can be closed now thx for all the replys :) |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/11/2009 : 23:50:36
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Ivan- the statement I was making was intended to be purely about needlessly causing an animal suffering, which is to me what you were planning on doing. I'm sorry you couldn't understand that and felt the need to be less than gracious about accepting my constructive criticism.
If you ask for advice then fine, but to then completely ignore it is just plain stupidity. |
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1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 23/11/2009 : 03:57:02
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ivan - I know when you have done something with your snakes and maybe even be told that it is right, it is very hard to be shown that what you are doing may be wrong and may actually be putting your snakes in a stressful or dangerous position.
What SexyBear has been saying is true. Her concern about you waiting until you see signs of stress in your snakes is a valid one, because often you may not see those signs of stress early enough. People who have co-habited their snakes have thought it 'cute' the way they curl up together, when in fact they are both wanting the best spot in the viv. They may feed fine but that does not necessarily mean they are not stressed, they are hungry and need the food. SexyBear's example regarding the cat being hit was a true one, but maybe it would have been better to compare a snake being stressed and then rescued to (and I know this may seem extreme) a child that is mentally or verbally abused - you do not need to lay a hand on that child to stress it out and damage it. On the outside the child's teachers and friends may not see what is happening and what that child is going through. It is the same with your snake...you cannot see what stress it may be going through or what long term effects it may have.
In the wild corn snakes are solitary creatures, that only come together to mate - so would you house a male and female cheetah together all year round, knowing the male could/would injure and stress the female as they, too, only come together for mating. It is only us humans that mess with their natural habits, and we need to do that as little as often.
There are complications around co-habiting, as already pointed out....cannibalism, stress, premature breeding which causes health problems. These are all possible in your cirumstances, even more so because of their size and the unknown sex of one of them.
You say you have decided what you are going to do, but dont say what it is. I hope, and believe, that you have made that decision for the snakes benefit and not for your own.
This is a very emotional topic, because it can cause so much pain to owners (and snakes), and therefore people react strongly....especially when it seems their advice is not being taken seriously. But anything that is said on this forum is truly because of our love of snakes and our concern for their well being.
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KITTYCAT
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/11/2009 : 18:03:15
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i co-habited my corns after being told they were the same sex. always thought that they liked curling uptogether in jun this year one layed eggs we lost 4 saved one but its not eating and is kinked. I split them up that day turned out the male was bullying the female he is greedy and she doesnt eat much but now she is a great snake healthy appetite and not shy anymore she has also put on nearly 100g since laying. They were both just over a year!
As we had to seperate them fast we got thermostat n mat and a plastic staking box (large) put holes in it the male is quite settled tough he will be getting a viv made for him. |
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0.1.0 snow corn (casper)
0.0.1 anery motley corn(diesel)
0.0.1 calafornia banded king snake (ozzy)
0.1.0 royal python (pandora)
0.0.1 boa constrictor (bullet)
1.0.0 weinmaraner (zac)
1.0.0 staffy (zeus)
1.1.0 cats (sophie n pepe)
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/11/2009 : 18:14:44
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its a bit off topic, but still related to the OPs post.....
you say you will split them up if you see any signs of stress, what signs exactly are you looking for?
IMO, if you have 2 males then one of them is already showing a stressy sign by twitching which is a warning to the other male to steer clear. If you have one of each, its either a stay away signal, or a 'look at me, i'm going to have you' sign.
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
3984 Posts |
Posted - 25/11/2009 : 19:38:11
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You can easily pay around £70 for a 145lt rub and all the decor/heatmat & stat etc.
Good idea mate. You probably saved your snakes lives. |
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gingerpony
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