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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
 Posted - 23/08/2013 : 22:58:56
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| I know lol... I have considered but I didn't believe it at first... Now that it's proven... |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 14:15:32
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Originally posted by eeji
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Originally posted by oakleyman18
MJ- Tessera has just been proven out as a Hybrid :) Just FYI!
more info please!
Ditto! |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 16:49:54
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| Mj, that link you posted on your other thread (about Sarums tummy chequers ) - there's the debate about the tesseras possibly being a hybrid there...? |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 16:58:59
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To be honest, if you think about it - the strongly variable belly pattern of tesseras IS a bit strange. Also, if such a dominat gene existed anywhere in nature, we would be seeing it in the wild more...
I very secretly think palmetto is also a hybrid ( natural ) with another type of rat snake - it looks very much like a leucistic gene, not seen in corns so far...not that I care, I would have a palmetto, if I could :-)
I read the South Mountain Reptiles web page, and all the debate about how all the experienced breeders agreed that palmetto is definitely a corn, but I still have secret doubts... Ok, I'll get my coat....
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0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 17:18:00
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Originally posted by Razee
To be honest, if you think about it - the strongly variable belly pattern of tesseras IS a bit strange. Also, if such a dominat gene existed anywhere in nature, we would be seeing it in the wild more...
I very secretly think palmetto is also a hybrid ( natural ) with another type of rat snake - it looks very much like a leucistic gene, not seen in corns so far...not that I care, I would have a palmetto, if I could :-)
I read the South Mountain Reptiles web page, and all the debate about how all the experienced breeders agreed that palmetto is definitely a corn, but I still have secret doubts... Ok, I'll get my coat....
I also have very "unfashionable" views about Palmettos,but then I have a Blue Eyed Leucistic Texas Rat Snake that has a sprinkling of "normal" coloured scales....and yes I too would have a Palmetto if offered to me and yes I've put a deposit down on a Multicorn Tessera-If I like a Snake-then I like a snake.
I believe Respect (and £££££'s)are due to the breeder that took the time and heartache of breeding whichever snake you choose to buy,perhaps more focus should be on the snake rather than its origins? |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 19:48:43
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| if you think back to the first amel corn, that was so very different and the same can be said for any other morph. When the first stripe popped up was that also labelled as hybrid because it was different to a regular corn but other ratsnakes have a stripe pattern? Bold claims indeed, but more information is needed. |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 21:07:29
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It is true, though amels, aneries, etc. do crop up in most snakes... I tried to read the whole debate on the other forum ( as you can probably tell :-) ) and must admit, there are some valid points on both sides. I suppose we'll never know, without completely sequencing the whole genome of a corn snake and other snakes.
I've actually asked about this at work once - long time ago. I work at Bioscience dept at Uni, so asked one of our genetic scientists about whether it would be possible to find out, if a corn snake is a pure corn, or a hybrid. I'm not a scientist, just technician, so sorry if I get it wrong - but what I understood was, that someone would have to first sequence the complete genetic make up of a pure corn snake, then do the same for another, let's say grey rat snake, and then find out, which genes/ sequences are different.
This would cost phenomenal amounts of money, and no one would ever finance the research... so, at least for some time, we won't know for sure.
For myself, I don' t care if they are hybrids, or not. I like gold dusts, and would love to have one - but if I ever bred it, I'd make sure I'd tell any buyers of the hatchies about the ultra gene.
I'm going to keep an open mind on the tessera business :-) |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 21:24:28
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| P.S. Sorry if the previous post comes across as too opinionated. As eeji said, we need much more information, and until then, it's all it is, just an opinion/ guesswork. |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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