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Raksha
Hatchling
United Kingdom
105 Posts |
 Posted - 12/03/2013 : 01:02:08
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ok guys
I have been talking with my dad and we have been dissucing the possibility of farming them for food
now for me this is one of thous were i see the benefits if we do a lot of mice at once so say 40 females and 5 males.
now obviously its expensive to set up and feed but its a one of thous that repay over time
the next thing is gassing them i found a few set ups online like dry ice
and gas chambers all of whitch i am a littl unsure of but if i did this i would have to consider it
what would you guys do
would you get it set up and go for it or not? |
pets list
1 Cat "Cheeky"
2 Yellow Anacondas "Shadow & Arrow"
1 Corn Snake "Autumn"
1 Tarantula "Legs"
1 Scorpion "Sub-Zero"
2 Guinea pigs "dog and Sephiroth"
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 02:36:29
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| I'd say don't gas them or anything. Grab them by the tail(or bum if they don't have tails yet) and smack them hard against a desk. Not hard enough for their heads to explode or anything but hard enough to kill them. If they have their eyes open(hoppers, adults) then hold them by the tail, spin them in a circle for about 5 mins to make them dizzy and then suddenly(without hesitation) smack them against a desk. The reason for spinning any that have their eyes open is because if they see the desk coming towards them they try to right themselves obviously which could lead to them spinning and you not cracking their skulls and killing them but breaking their spine and just paralyzing them which means going through the smacking again while they can see and feel everything but not do anything about it and are already in immense pain. As for whether you should do it or not? Go ahead. I was thinking of getting a few female mice and a male myself and breeding my own snake food. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 09:11:17
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Spinning mice for 5 minutes by the tail? Sorry, that sounds horribly cruel for the mouse.
A good hard smack against a solid object without hesitation should do the job for you first time.
Gas chambers work fine if set up right and are useful for larger numbers.
Research this topic till your sick of it though, unless you have a very large number of mouths to feed or some super fussy snakes it's not worth the time and work. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 09:37:22
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| Spinning /smashing against something seems a horribly inefficient way to do it to me co2 all the in my opinion far less to go wrong and and much much more humane imagine getting it wrong and having to whack the poor thing several times geez id never forgive myself |
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1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 11:15:10
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See, knocking them against a hard surface can be very efficient, but only if you really mean what you are doing and don't do it half heartedly (I speak from first hand experience here.)
For anyone nervous or squeamish I recommend gas. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 11:23:01
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
See, knocking them against a hard surface can be very efficient, but only if you really mean what you are doing and don't do it half heartedly (I speak from first hand experience here.)
For anyone nervous or squeamish I recommend gas.
Its the learning how to get good at it bit thatd bother me lol i couldnt do that not even if i wanted too lol ..Gas all the way was talking to a guy last night who uses a gas/bag method for rats that didnt seem too humane to me |
6.8.0 Corn Snakes http://buzzsprehistoricpets.yolasite.com/
1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 11:44:39
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spinning by the tail for 5 minutes, would imagine the tail would come flying off at some stage, also dont fancy being swung around for 5 minutes thats a tad cruel. Gassing or whack of solid object every time here.
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 12:12:34
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According to your sig you only have 1 corn and I assume the anacondas will be on rats - so why would you need so many mice?! Maybe your sig is just out of date lol, or are you thinking of going into production to sell?
As to spinning around for 5 minutes Acidic? Did you mean seconds? I would definitely class that as inhumane :( I also would be too worried about the whack 'going wrong' and causing suffering, so would probably opt for gassing if it was myself, but see no harm in others using that method if they are confident. |
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Hissyfit
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2214 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 14:08:07
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Originally posted by smart bunny
According to your sig you only have 1 corn and I assume the anacondas will be on rats - so why would you need so many mice?! Maybe your sig is just out of date lol, or are you thinking of going into production to sell?
I was thinking the same. You'd be overrun with mice with not enough snakes to feed them to 
Not for me, I'd rather they came frozen and I don't have to think or worry about how their little lives ended  |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 14:36:43
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Imo you should do some research on home euthanasia for small pets... you can find a 2 step gas procedure that is about as nice as killing can get...
The whole 'whack them really hard' thing is oh so very distasteful to me... the panic that the critter is likely to experience before impact... no thanks... |
1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
8403 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 14:58:16
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| someone was going to build a chamber for killing bred mice, forgot who it was, and this is a far more humane way to kill them |
     
0.1.0 Corn - Kellogs
1.0.0 Hognose - Storm
0.1.0 Staffy - Lyla
1.0.0 Spaffy(staffy x springer)-Spyro
1.0.0 Ferret - Peanut R.I.P
0.1.0 Crestie - Fudge. Wish List - Pygmy hedgehog. Tropiocolotes |
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tk72
Hatchling
United Kingdom
494 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 15:32:05
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| have visions of mice flying all round your room when tails snap. Mice shaped splats on the walls would not look good. |
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SilverWings
Yearling
United Kingdom
740 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 15:42:21
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Originally posted by tk72
have visions of mice flying all round your room when tails snap. Mice shaped splats on the walls would not look good.
I'm ashamed to say this actually made me laugh out loud XD |
2.2.3 Corn snakes; Red, Rosie, Liana, Checkers, Luna, Diego, Snowman
1.0 Taiwanese Beauty Snake; Aleron
1.0 Green Anoles; Doug
1.0 Greyhound; Lee |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 18:24:32
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Originally posted by AcidicAngel
....hold them by the tail, spin them in a circle for about 5 mins.....
Seriously? I know they are about to meet their maker but this seems extremely stressful and unnecessary  |
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Donnie
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3215 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 18:50:08
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| Smacking them against a solid object should only really be done by somebody who is experienced in my opinion, how you would get the experience I done know but if you don't do it right it will cause unnecessary suffering for the mouse. Cervical dislocation is the best method of euthanasia other than gassing IMHO it is quick and painless (I can link to a good video for this method if somebody is seriously considering breeding for feeders). Swinging them by their tails for any amount of time seems completely unnecessary. |
1.1 Corns (Anery Stripe, Amel) 1.0 Rootbeer 0.2 Jungle Carpet Python 1.0 Zebra Jungle Carpet Python 1.0 50% Diamond Zebra Carpet Python |
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lupi lou
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3670 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 19:56:03
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Originally posted by scottishbluebird
someone was going to build a chamber for killing bred mice, forgot who it was, and this is a far more humane way to kill them
Angriesthedghog is making one
I'd opt for Co2 chamber, I can see the appeal of producing your own food as you know what it has been fed, the quality of life it has had, how fresh it is. Having had to whack a mouse the dog had caught and paralyzed (flipping dog wouldn't finish the poor bugger off!) I can say I wouldn't want to do that often it was quite traumatic!! |
 
1.0.1 Corns
0.1.0 Dog: springer
1.0.0 Horse
0.4.0 Gerbils
2.2.0 Leopard gecko
0.2.0 Cave gecko |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2013 : 21:18:16
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| It's a lot less stressful and a lot less painful than just going straight for the smack and them righting themselves and ending up paralyzed so you have to smack them again... Anyway, I've done both gassing and smacking and I find smacking a lot more humane as they are out a lot quicker. Gassing takes time, smacking(if done right) kills them instantly. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2013 : 01:18:58
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Originally posted by eeji
gassing if done right causes no pain or stress at all, it first puts them to sleep then the dosage is increased so they die in their sleep.
I've heard a few horror stories of the mouse looking dead and not reacting and then waking up in the snakes viv which is why I do the smack their heads against a hard desk option. I have a way of doing it and when I say spin them by the tail I don't mean spin them hard or even for that long actually(I overestimated), you just need to make them dizzy so they don't realize it's heading towards them and try to right themselves. I know there are people who disagree with this and I was against it myself but after having one of the horror stories happening to me and me having to rush into the viv to pull the mouse out and kill it properly I'd rather stick with the one that has always worked for me. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Raksha
Hatchling
United Kingdom
105 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2013 : 02:05:19
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my signiture needs up dating i got 3 corns and the two yellows, and yeah your right the anacondas are on whiner rats.
i been considering do this on a small scale for my 5 for about 3 weeks after i got the last 2.
basicly i came to the conclusion that for what i spend on mice/rats 22.24 a mount and for what my friends spends on his 120.36 we came to the conlusion that the pair of us could make it worth it just for are own food needs.
and i have read in to this and spoke to one of the reptail guy at work who now calls me the mouse nazi for this idea.(befor you give me grife for that comment he's of both german and jewish decent so hes kinda hath got the right to say that hath not)
but geting back to point its for my own food and for a few frineds in the local area
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pets list
1 Cat "Cheeky"
2 Yellow Anacondas "Shadow & Arrow"
1 Corn Snake "Autumn"
1 Tarantula "Legs"
1 Scorpion "Sub-Zero"
2 Guinea pigs "dog and Sephiroth"
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 13/03/2013 : 04:04:22
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Pretty much all the gassing vids I've seen are flat out wrong.
Venting a 12gram into a closed tank suddenly is going to create a pressure wave of cold corrosive gas that is bound to induce a panic response... Not very humane imo.
You need to do the math, calculate the volume of the container you're using and create room temp gas that slowly takes the chamber to the unconscious dose... If done right then there is no panic just sedation.
Once everyone is sleeping then you can up the dose to deadly or use the cervical dislocation method Donnie mentioned to 'kill'
No clubbing, whacking, thumping etc required...
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1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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