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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
 Posted - 30/05/2012 : 11:01:55
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Ho all, first off I'm new here.
Secondly, I've got 2 corn snakes. A male and a female who live together.
The male is a butter corn and the female is a carolina corn.
Now, I was planning to breed them this year but they just don't seem to know it's breeding season... I've had the male about 2-3 weeks and he's settled perfectly fine, they get on so well. The female started shedding when the male was introduced as I was told would happen. I was told that when she finished shedding he should have been all over her as she would release pheromones for him to follow but they are just ignoring each other. If anything she was the more active of the 2, exploring and crawling all over him.
I've had them both probed so am sure what gender they are, both of them are 5ft long. The male is 2 1/2 years old and the female is 6 years old, I've had her a lot longer.
Oh and their names are Sakana(F)and Cereus(M). |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Spreebok
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1135 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 11:46:17
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| Try splitting them and keeping them apart, only introducing them for breeding, and removing again once the deed is done. May generate more interest if he's not around her constantly. |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 11:53:20
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| That's the thing currently I can't as her old viv recently got broke which is why I was glad when I got him that he came with a set-up and everything. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 12:10:33
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I've just thought... Could she have been caught by my girlfriends male?
When her viv broke(Glass shattered and the wood was falling apart as the viv itself was alot older than the corn) I had to ask my girlfriend to board her temporarily. Katie(GF) put Sakana in with her 2 "Females" one amber morph who is actually a female and 1 Ghost who recently turned out to be male.
The only thing I doubt about this is that he's only 1 1/2 years old and 2.5ft in length... Wouldn't she have crushed him?
I've just been watching her and she seems to be looking for somewhere specific so I've put a 'Really Useful Box' with damp vermiculite and moss in the viv for her and she's climbed straight in and curled up...
The male is sat curled up at the opposite end of the viv. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 12:12:18
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quote:
Originally posted by Mamma
they are both 5 foot long and the male is 2 and half years? My male is 2 years and is only 3 foot tops..
He's only 2 and half years old and the same size a my 6 year old female who I've measured and she's 5ft. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 12:15:33
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quote:
Originally posted by AcidicAngel
quote:
Originally posted by Mamma
they are both 5 foot long and the male is 2 and half years? My male is 2 years and is only 3 foot tops..
He's only 2 and half years old and the same size a my 6 year old female who I've measured and she's 5ft.
woooah! can you get pics at all? would love to see xx |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 12:24:30
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I only have the picture I got when I bought him as my phone recently died(dropped it) so no camera to get a more recent one.
Got this one.
Cereus.
Sakana.
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Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4494 Posts |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 12:30:36
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Originally posted by Mamma
woooah hes a beauty! xx
He really is. I'll get a more recent one of him later in the week when I manage to get a new phone. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Tasha89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
257 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 16:12:27
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| Just a suggestion but they could be put off by the moving around? Also did you put the female into the males tank or vice versa? |
Tasha
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4.0.0 - Corns - Hypo-Lavender (Lucifer), Bubblegum Snow (Houdini), Striped Carolina (Sarafino) and Black Cat (Ralphie)
0.2.0 - Corns - Anertheristic (Valentina), Lavender (Aiyana), Lavender (Di-nixi) |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 18:53:42
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| Moving around happened a good 2-3 weeks ago and the female was added to the males tank because her's was a bit broken. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 18:54:31
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My female was put with Katie's(GF) male about 4-5 weeks ago as that's when her viv broke...
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Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 19:05:44
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If she is gravid then you really want to think about splitting them both up, laying can be a very stressful time for a female, and no matter how much you say they get along, snakes do not *like* cohabiting- at best, they tolerate it. There is also the strong possibility that, if your corn is gravid, the male will simply pester her for sex once she has got these eggs out of the way, resulting in a second clutch she is unfit to cope with.
Both stress and double clutching can result in egg-binding, a potentially fatal condition for females which can require expensive veterinary treatment. Re-homing the male, even in something temporary like an RUB, is by far the most sensible option here.
Signs of being gravid-
Grumpiness
Weight gain
Heavier appearance around bottom end of body
Noticeable bulges
Refusal of food
Male not showing interest in mating
Best of luck. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 20:05:49
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Well she has 2 of those 'gravid' signs but that's it male not showing interest and she's refused food since the beginning of the breeding season. I literally cannot remove him currently, nothing to put him in and I've been told that they will be fine together even during laying. Plus doesn't the other person who live streams his laying process and egg development keep them together even when she's laying?
When they were probed they were probed by an expert and someone who keeps, breeds and sells corn snakes and other snakes.
For Sakana it went 4 scales in and just came to a dead stop = female, for Cereus it went 10 scales in and bounced back a little instead of stopping dead = male. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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kdlang
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3556 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 22:23:28
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It's my understanding that a snake probed as female can actually be male as they can clench and cause a false result. That is why we have so many accidental matings when corns are housed together. People think they are housing 2 females together when in fact one is actually male. I would only ever co-habit snakes that are proven through breeding to be same sex. (actually, I don't ever plan to co-habit but thats a subject for another thread).
Also I guess snakes are like most other animals. They are all different and while some females will be ok with a male in the tank while they are gravid, others wont like it at all. |
4.1.0 corns - Izzy (Carolina) Alice (Amel) Peanut (Butter Motley) Swayze (Ghost) Carmellia (Butter Motley)
0.1.0 cat - Kizzy
1.0.0 Dog - Dobbie
Location - Chesterfield, Derbyshire
www.support-dogs.org.uk |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2012 : 23:23:18
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Originally posted by AcidicAngel
Plus doesn't the other person who live streams his laying process and egg development keep them together even when she's laying?
Yeah, but I wouldn't recommend that to a novice keeper/breeder in a month of Sundays, and it's certainly not something I'd ever do myself. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Mnementh
Yearling
United Kingdom
537 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 01:03:05
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Originally posted by AcidicAngel
Well she has 2 of those 'gravid' signs but that's it male not showing interest and she's refused food since the beginning of the breeding season.
How long has that been if you don't mind me asking ? It's usually the males that go off food , I've never had a female go off food ever , unless its right before she is due to lay :) |
One last jump , that's all we have to take Holth .
Wearily the old queen gathered heself to spring ;
Moreta gratefully began her litany .
Black , blacker , blackest -
They went between . |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 10:00:06
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Well she hasn't eaten for a good 11-12 weeks and the male is also obviously off his food...
This is the last time she ate on the 6th April.
I'd say she's female because if she wasn't wouldn't she have bred with my Girlfriends female corn when they shared a viv for a good 2 weeks... Also my Girlfriends female corn is off her food too but the male isn't... |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2012 : 10:03:05
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I thought false results were given through Popping as males can clench and hold them in?
Though I did 3 other home tests on both and got the same result for them as I was told when I had the probbed. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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