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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
 Posted - 18/01/2012 : 21:52:06
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ive been speaking to a few people and have had a browse online, i was told that sunkissed can look anything from normal to almost hypo, but the main difference from normal is the head markings, which lightnings are really askew and that their underside is checkered bt half cream blending to orange. online i notice something that goes hand in hand with sunkissed which was called stargazing could someone clear this up.
thanks
p.s this was the same store that tried to sell me a cremiscle as a full blooded corn today |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:14:43
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stargazer further reading http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13133
I have several sunkissed gene snakes, 2 of which will be bred 2013, they have ben tested by Douglas (Scotsman on here). I also have a male stargazer to test breed my other possible het stargazer corns.
Stargazing can be curbed so long as breeders are responsible and test their lines from sunkissed animals. Otherwise it is going to get worse not better. Im not just talking about massive breeders also the hobbyist that breeds a single pair can cause every bit as much damage.
This is one of my biggest gripes at the moment, and until folks start testing it will be very high on my preacher box list.
edit: sunkissed is a form of hypo ;)
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Edited by - gmac on 18/01/2012 22:16:18 |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:18:12
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My understanding of the situation is that sunkissed as a gene is totally seperate from stargazing, but that certain breeders who bred the original sunkissed lines didnt really bother to persevere in removing the stargazer gene from the animals they bred, and as such is is prevelant due to the lineage of the moprh... So you can get sunkissed now that are completely free from the SG gene. If you are going to get one and dont know if its been tested, you need to test it yourself, as the effects of the gene can be easily seen on other threads here.
Myself i REALLY REALLY want a honey motley, but cant be sure of the parentage, so wont get one :( |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:19:15
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| Ahhh G-man types quicker than me ;) |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:25:51
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| there are still so many grey areas in corns, its so interesting. is a two tome underside normal in a normal? |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:34:51
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| I think colours usually blend more towards the ventral area. My normal had really nice black and white at the top end and then blacky/orange and white at the base! |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:37:07
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| okies, also are abnormal head markins well normal> |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Dancross0
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1315 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:41:02
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Originally posted by georginasweeting
there are still so many grey areas in corns, its so interesting. is a two tome underside normal in a normal?
Grey area? That'll be the anery and charcoal morphs....
The 2 tone white to orange, with black checkers, is normal.
You'll like this site: http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/
Edit: too slow!
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Aguna CB11 Anery - Typhon CB12 Amber - Plissken CB08 Carolina - Iara CB11 Caramel
Indra CB12 Lavender (?) - Evren CB12 Carolina (?) - Ophis CB11 Hypo Lavender - Sirae CB11 Ghost Motley
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 22:42:58
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| i mean areas such as star gazing that isnt 100 percent understood and how different morphs could have different traits. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:09:13
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stargazing is 100% understood, what is not clear anymore is what snakes have it. It was originally discovered in sunkissed okeete i think so sunkissed is a good place to start testing. For example the gazer I have isnt sunkissed its an ultramel. There will be more and more gazers turning up in collections over the next few years unfortunately.
@Oakleyman, Im testing a pair of poss het gazers that will produce honey motley ;) |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:26:10
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| can i ask why you would breed a pair that will possible produce gazers? |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:29:39
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| i am 100 percent interested in everything about corns i do not mean and of my questions offencivly it purley interest |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:31:15
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I will be breeding 8 clutches that may produce gazers but will definately produce het gazers. They will not be sold. You need to test breed to find out if my snakes carry the gazer gene, if they dont i can breed them and happily sell them on with a clear conscience and gazer free for other people to use as breeders. If they do prove to carry the gazer gene then they will not be used for breeding.
Am happy that people will ask questions about this :D it is a serious issue that too many people are ignoring, which in my opinion is worse than what happened originally.
should also clarify: Im test breeding a pair of corns that if they prove clear will then be paired and hopefully produce honey motley's |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:37:29
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| what will happen to the hatchies that do have it? also are there different strengths of it? |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:41:04
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| The majority of the test clutches may well be PTS or passed onto others that are looking to test for gazer. Nope just some look worse than others but no differing strengths. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:45:24
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| i did similar testing in nethie rabbits. i defo wont be breeding snakes any time soon i do not knoe anywhere near enough, im getting my two sexed on friday. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:46:27
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| :) hope you get what you after. |
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:52:34
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| how do you test for the stargazer problem just outer interest |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:56:06
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| you take a stargazer and breed it with the test animal. If the tet animal is het gazer you would see some gazers hatch, if the test animal is not het gazer then no gazers will show |
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:57:02
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| and what do you look for |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2012 : 23:57:37
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| sorry Marc see above I hit submit cause im a tube |
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