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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 16/05/2011 : 18:00:21
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| just applied more vetadine and then swilled it off, dried her completely and took some photos, im about to upload them now |
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 18:25:04
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 20:51:43
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you dont need a vet, scale rot can be cured by keeping her nice and warm and dry. You can put the vetadine on if you want, it wont do any harm.
the only thing you need to make sure is that she doesnt get in to her water, or that she cant get into the water, because it wont help!
Offer food, no harm in trying.
By all means go the vet, i am fairly confident i know what the outcome will be, but it puts your mind at rest then, and you know for sure!
Scale rot has nothing to do with how clean the viv is, you can have the filthiest viv in the world and a very healthy snake, and you can have the most spotless viv in the world and have a poorly snake, its not you, not in that respect anyway, its all to do with damp and being allowed to stay in a permanently damp environment, i see a moss box in one of your pics, if thats kept damp and she spends time in there, then my money is on that. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 21:56:24
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| i didnt see those pics! It looks like its all crusting up and drying out, which is good, i know it looks like its a burn, but believe me, a burn would be far far nastier and a lot deeper! i am trying to get some pics of a not too bad burn to show you the difference. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 22:10:34
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thank you so much ive been worrying loads about her as I wasn't sure if it was getting better or worse!!
she can't get into her bowl, she doesn't even leave the hide :( so I give her a drink of water everytime I take her out for the vetadine.
can you see in some pics like 1st and the 8th, there is like a small, deeper area? i'm worried about these as its almost like there are no scales at all.
will she ever heal completely? she used to have such a beautiful pattern on her underside. will that ever return?
she was having a bad shed, only parts of it had come off, so I went out and bought moss for her (never used it beforei n her life until her last shed) and she stayed in it all night. must have been in it for about 2 nights in total. could this have caused that so quickly?? Also, i had to help her remove her shed because I was scared she was going to get an infection if I didn't, it was difficult to remove and she seemed in pain :( I thought that perhaps I had removed some underdeveloped scales with the shed :( :( :( is this possible??? |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 22:44:42
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The scales are already missing completely, and it does look quite sore. Its not unheard of for them to shed their new scales too, i have had a boa do it to me recently, but they grow back quite quickly.
She will heal in time, the scales will grow back very quickly and before long you wont even know it happened, think of it as a kinda scab, its all healing in its own time.
The reason it looks really nasty at the moment is because its drying out, the fungus is being killed and the body is trying to repair itself, its gonna be sore for a while yet, so dont be surprised if you get a bite for your trouble.
However, you say the snake is not drinking at all? thats not a good sign, there might be an element of shock going on, so might be worth a trip to the vet for a pick me up jab.
Can you get a pick of the top of the snake, it might be that its getting dehydrated and losing the will to move about and drink for itself, in which case, after the trip to the vet, you could use something like powerade which will fight the dehydration, and critical care formula mixed with it to supply everything the snake needs to start recouping.
It actually sounds like she is in a bit of a bad way, i think a vets trip is well worth the time.
I very much doubt you will have pulled the scales off, although combined with the scale rot, it wont have been too hard.
No point reflecting, need to concentrate on making snakey better, so find yourself a vet, and get them to give a multivitamin jab, along with anything else that they think of, marbosil wouldnt go amiss either.
Whatever they suggest, DO NOT allow them to inject Baytril, only marbosil. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 16/05/2011 : 23:01:43
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sorry didn't word it very well at all,
she is drinking :) she drinks when she comes out for bathe in solution. she just doesn't appear to be drinking whilst shes in her box, i'm guessing it's because she doesn't want to move about as its prob sore for her, but yes she is definately drinking.
she goes a bit fast and zoomy when being treated with vetadine, (well she did during the first couple of times she was treated) but she has calmed down alot during treatments now, and im assuming its because its so not sore/stingy? no bites yet though, shes such a good snake! |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/05/2011 : 08:48:13
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Ah thats good then, give her a try with food, something small, a lot smaller than she is used to eating, see how she goes. TBH, a vets trip wouldnt do any harm though, just to be sure. It would have been a lot sorer initially, but now its starting to heal, its probably not so bad.
Something else that is really good for healing, F10 cream, its not cheap but lasts for ages and ages, and works really really well, about a tenner, but worth its weight in gold. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2011 : 11:10:49
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ok thanks.
Does it look ok to you? how would I know if any part of it was infected? or getting worse not better? are the photos of her a good sign so far? to me it looks terrible because ive never seen anything like it before! |
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2011 : 11:12:07
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| Also I think one of the moderators should change my topic title to scale rot, as they changed it to burn as that is what they thought it may be. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2011 : 13:06:45
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| its hard to say whether its getting better or not, i dont know what its been like. Just keep it clean and it will heal with time. the next shed will be the one to see it at, i would guess most of the scales will be back by then. use the F10, its better than using an iodine based solution. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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HannahB
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/05/2011 : 19:47:35
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Originally posted by lozy89
Also I think one of the moderators should change my topic title to scale rot, as they changed it to burn as that is what they thought it may be.
changed it for you 
hope Twiglet recovers ok |
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 18/05/2011 : 22:47:02
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| thank you :) hopefully this post will help others in my situation, but I hope nobody or any more snakies have to go through this :( poor Twiglet, she's so brave! |
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 18/05/2011 : 22:52:43
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Hope Twiglets condition improves soon.
I have learnt alot from this thread :) |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2011 : 10:33:20
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| Please keep posting pictures as things change :D |
  
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2011 : 23:08:58
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With permission, i have these pictures of a royal that was burnt, just to give you an idea.
Day 1
Day 5
Day 16
Not a massively bad burn, but bad enough to cause some potentially serious issues.
Just gives you a comparison. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 19/05/2011 : 23:41:28
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thanks, I have offered her a small mouse today but she wasn't interested :( will try again next week.
I have just given her an iodine bath and I think it was a bit stronger than usual as she really didn't want to be in it. It seems to have lightened up her scales (by which I mean made them slightly whiter and not the browny colour you can see in the pics above.) Didn't take any photos but will do tomorrow. I have decided (whetehr i'm right or not???) that I am not going to give her any more baths now, just to let her remain dry and see what happens?
I gently dried her out after her bath with a hairdryer to ensure she was totally dried. I am going to continue to change her towels everyday.
what should I do when it comes to near her shedding time? no signs of it yet but what should i do?
Also is this normal?? I have noticed a couple of scales coming off here and there, not loads but a couple. is this normal?
I havent taken her to a vet yet, I phoned up the ones around close to my area and they all said they dont specialise in reps! none of them sounded confident at all, so I am trying to avoid vets if possible, I know i'm probably going to get everyone saying that I should still take her but seriously, they all sounded rather sketchy when I mentioned it, and told me to try a different vets. So this is my reasoning, however, if shes shows signs of taking a turn for the worse then of course, I will have no choice.
There is a animal event thingy being held this saturday where you take your pet along for advice etc, I will check that out and see what they have to say. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/05/2011 : 23:42:45
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Ah Mike when you put it like that its more clear that its not a burn. As Lou says I too have learnt a lot on this thread. Thanks!
My fingers are crossed for a swift and full recovery. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2011 : 09:31:51
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iodine bath? not a good idea, snakes have a habit of drinking a liquid they are sat in, assuming its water.
The snake needs to be kept spotlessly dry, as i said, use f10 cream, its antibacterial, anti fungal and anti-everything else too. I dont know where you can get it from, but a quick look on ebay or a google will find you an online shop that sells it.
Dont worry about the not feeding, the snakes probably very uncomfortable, i would expect the snake to shed quite a few times in the next couple of weeks, regeneration so to speak. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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lozy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
226 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2011 : 09:55:32
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| about the drinking: yeh already thought of that so she is put in just water first then after shes drank it, the iodine was added. I'm going to search for some of that cream now, will the cream not just make her moist? |
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bad shed & Scale rot
