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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:20:11  Show Profile
And those that i view as rude - i will ignore
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a33272
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:22:06  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
so ignore the 57% as thats only whatt ive heard based option an look at the 28%-14% that works out that 50% of the people beetween them to options have 'personnal experience' surely that must make u think ohh yeah thats alot acctually



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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:27:49  Show Profile
As said in response to hillzi, the sample size is still small, and i'm not ingoring any side. I'm interested to see a much bigger sample size not people getting their knickers in a twist about people voicing their own views and experiences.
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mikerichards
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:29:56  Show Profile
i dont think i have called you an idiot or a moron yet. i am not getting high and mighty with you, just pointing out that you are not looking at the bigger picture. You are trying to make it sound like its ok, so you can justify it to yourself.
You still arent getting it, its not what i think, or what i do, what i think or do is irrelevant, there is PROOF, its there, its nothing to do with me either.

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a33272
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:34:10  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
your never going to get a large sample though theres to many come an go here, only way will get the numbers you want is to take this to a larger site like rfuk, other wise use the percentages to gauge it all



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mikerichards
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:37:42  Show Profile
go for it on rfuk. you think i am bad!!!!

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a33272
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:39:39  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by mikerichards

go for it on rfuk. you think i am bad!!!!



like a lamb to slaughter if he does lol



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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:41:23  Show Profile
If I was doing a formal statistical research piece i would take it to many different places to get a greater sample size and opinion base and it wouldn't be such a simple poll.
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:44:21  Show Profile
quote:

like a lamb to slaughter if he does lol



And i i said earlier is very easy to ignore those you view as rude
Leave them to get their knickers in a twist

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mikerichards
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Posted - 17/02/2011 :  23:45:07  Show Profile
out of interest, is someones opinion on something they know nothing about valid???

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GillyDuncan
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:06:16  Show Profile
quote:
Originally posted by mikerichards

out of interest, is someones opinion on something they know nothing about valid???



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a33272
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:13:43  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by Mr Subz

quote:

like a lamb to slaughter if he does lol



And i i said earlier is very easy to ignore those you view as rude
Leave them to get their knickers in a twist



not gettin my knickers in a twist but something like this on rfuk u will end up getting ripped a new backside its not refered to as the dark side for the fun of it lol



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Edited by - gmac on 18/02/2011 00:26:02
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lotabob
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:17:13  Show Profile
http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14629

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5322

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14124

http://www.gourmetrodent.com/images/freaks%20and%20curiosities/cannibal%20corn%20hatchling.JPG

These are just a few examples of what can and does go wrong when snakes are cohabited. Only took about a minute to find these I figured that putting even 2 examples of what could happen to anyones snakes if they are been kept together would be enough to convince you its against BEST PRACTICE. I managed 4 easily. I was very quickly convinced after speaking to people on here suffering problems due to snakes been kept together.

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Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.

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Edited by - lotabob on 18/02/2011 00:18:17
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a33272
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:20:16  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by lotabob

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14629

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5322

http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=14124

http://www.gourmetrodent.com/images/freaks%20and%20curiosities/cannibal%20corn%20hatchling.JPG

These are just a few examples of what can and does go wrong when snakes are cohabited. Only took about a minute to find these I figured that putting even 2 examples of what could happen to anyones snakes if they are been kept together would be enough to convince you its against BEST PRACTICE. I managed 4 easily. I was very quickly convinced after speaking to people on here suffering problems due to snakes been kept together.



think the lat one says it all on what can happen in worse case synario (sp)



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mikerichards
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:24:08  Show Profile
i'd give the last one 10 out of 10 for effort.

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a33272
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  00:26:01  Show Profile  Visit a33272's Homepage  Send a33272 an AOL message  Click to see a33272's MSN Messenger address
quote:
Originally posted by mikerichards

i'd give the last one 10 out of 10 for effort.



packed it in there well



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Sta~ple
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  10:10:05  Show Profile  Click to see Sta~ple's MSN Messenger address
Of course the poll would say more people have co-habbed and it's been ok... it's what petshops tell new owners to get them to buy more snakes for starters :/ Just because the people say they have had a positive experience doesn't mean the snakes are. Hontesly, 5 years ago I would have voted, Yes I co-hab and it's fine. It's not until you know the signs of stress if it's working well or not, and most new owners won't have that experience or have nothing to compare to as they have always co-habbed their snakes.

I stopped co-habbing my snakes once I knew one was stressed. Also, knowing that my snakes could be co-habbed for ages but one day something could go wrong was enough for me to separate them. An extra heat mat and a rub hardly costs anything and gave me piece of mind. The idea of anything going wrong and it coming down to the owners fault as they choose to co-hab is enough for most people to spilt.



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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  10:31:13  Show Profile
I consider myself a responsible snake owner but a newbie still. I care about my snakes and would not want to stress them or put them in any avoidable risky situations. I don't need a poll to tell me anything, the facts are already out there, problems can and do happen, which is not the same as they don't and won't happen! The first time I read the original co-hab thread I knew it was something I would never do with my snakes.

You could do a poll asking how many people have used a heatmat without a stat, or a bulb without a gurad as we know quite a few newbies have done this. Most would have been lucky and had no problems, some would have been umlucky and their snakes may have been injured. But seeing those poll results would you still risk usuing an unstatted mat or a bulb without a gurad? I doubt it, and imo co-habbiting is no different. There are risks. End of story. You either gamble with your snakes health and well being or you keep them seperate.

Simple.
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Mort13
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  10:35:59  Show Profile
The sheer risk of it is enough for me to decide against it.
I really don't see the point of going to all the effort of getting the set ups correct and doing research so that you can keep your snakes as healthy and safe as possible and then going and purposely exposing them to a risk,no matter what size that risk may be.
What if something happens when you're at work/out or asleep. No amount of preperation is going to help in those cases and then you've got to live with the fact that something has happened because of actions you've taken....or not as the case may be.

I use the word "you" in a general way,not at anyone in particular by the way.


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Benji54
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Posted - 18/02/2011 :  11:10:39  Show Profile
guys this is getting ridiculous...everyone has very strong views, that much is plain to see and sure, its great to get other's perspectives but this is just making the site feel hostile. im very new here but when i joined this place was so friendly and welcoming and helpful that i thought "wow! ill stick around here!" i was genuinely gob smacked by the great welcome and the respect amongst members. now it just seems rife with hostility, a place where people (maybe i should just speak for myself) are becoming afraid to share their actual views, opinions, experiences or methods through fear of the criticism and repremand they will incur if they do...does that remind anyone of any where else???

this poll was a bad idea, lets be honest EVERYONE who has taken part in it knew the outcome. people who cohabit will be deemed irresponsible and even negligent, and people will make out like those people dont care, when nothing could be further from the truth. And on the opposite side, people who insist cohabiting is a bad idea will be dubbed as fascists and criticised as though what they are saying is an insult, not just good, honest advice. we ALL love our snakes and we all care about them, but all this kind of "debate" (i use the term loosely as this, IMO descended into an argument a while back) does is make people gang up and get all clique-ey (again, remind you of anywhere else?)

everyones views have been taken into account and everyones opinions are valid and DO matter but lets just put this to bed can we? so that TCS can go back to being a friendly, hunerous and passionate forum, like it was only a few weeks ago!

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Edited by - Benji54 on 18/02/2011 11:12:04
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