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Benji54
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 Posted - 17/02/2011 : 15:00:10
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| i agree with mike, sexxybear and subz. if you're inexperienced, seperate em. bad things can happen that it takes a bit of knowledge to deal with. I have a spare viv ready to go should i feel the need to seperate mine, luckily i dont at the mo and hopefully wont have to...the key words there being luck and hope,because even the most experienced keeper with the best setup can still get problems but doing your research (ala Mr subz) and being prepared for ALMOST every eventuality are the bear minimum before taking on anything thats a higher risk than the norm. |
1.1.0 corns "wotsit" and "biscuit"
1.0.0 Royal "ophion"
0.1.0 Coastal Carpet Python "Serendipity"
1.0.0 Mexican Black Kingsnake "Obsidian"
0.1.0 Bunny Rabbit (?) "truffle"
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2011 : 18:27:07
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I have a spare viv ready to go
If you have two setups I cannot understand why you wouldn't split them. Everything I've learnt screams out that they should never be kept together. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 20:13:30
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| Interesting results so far - Far more have +ve experiences of co-habiting their snakes |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2011 : 21:30:29
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You don't listen, when it comes to co habitting its the risks, not the experiences. Just because 10th people say that they never had a problem doesn't automatically make it ok, I know people who take drugs, I know people who have died taking drugs, realities aside, I ain't gonna do it because I know more people who have lived, no matter how great they say it is.
Why would you want to force two very insular animals to share a space that they wouldn't ever be forced to do in the wild, something that is KNOWN to cause problems, be the root of problems. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 21:44:30
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Originally posted by mikerichards
You don't listen, when it comes to co habitting its the risks, not the experiences. Just because 10th people say that they never had a problem doesn't automatically make it ok, I know people who take drugs, I know people who have died taking drugs, realities aside, I ain't gonna do it because I know more people who have lived, no matter how great they say it is.
Why would you want to force two very insular animals to share a space that they wouldn't ever be forced to do in the wild, something that is KNOWN to cause problems, be the root of problems.
Agreed 100%
There is a massive difference between people who have had positive experiences, and people who, as of yet, have not had any problems.
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:06:39
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| I don't have to listen to you Mike - I have my own experience here, wind yr neck in please. Your views have been made quite obvious. Once is enough. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:36:35
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Unless someone has had the snakes live separately over like 1 years time so that you can kinda get an idea on normal temperament through out the seasons then I don't think they should be together. Even if a person has just bought the snakes from someone else who said they have had them together all of the time. It means the new owner would be able to recognize any signs of stress if they don't know what the snakes are like on their own. While through the co-habbing I did, most of the time fine yes but there were definitely times where they weren't fine and disliked each other company, just thank gosh nothing happened when I was out and tehy were like that.
Edit: You don't have to listen to anyone here, but you have been given the same answer by at least 3 different and respectable people with experience, remember that. |
   
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:47:32
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I don't have to listen to you Mike - I have my own experience here, wind yr neck in please. Your views have been made quite obvious. Once is enough.
Your right, you dont have to listen to me, however, only a moron would ignore evidence that is out there. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:51:01
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i will always accept other peoples right to an opinion based on their own experience. That does not detrack from my own, Full stop. I was just making a simple comment on the results of a poll I was interested in doing and seeing.
Everyones experience is as valuble as everyone elses and should be respected as such, irrespective of the amount of time they have been on here. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:54:37
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i will always accept other peoples right to an opinion based on their own experience. That does not detrack from my own, Full stop. I was just making a simple comment on the results of a poll I was interested in doing and seeing.
Everyones experience is as valuble as everyone elses and should be respected as such, irrespective of the amount of time they have been on here.
Whats that got to do with it??
I havent been here that long myself. Most of the people who were here when i joined have either left or got bored of answering the same questions over and over again, which, funnily enough, include the age old co habitting. No doubt the cycle will repeat itself in a few months time. |
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:55:03
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| And the evidence i am using, in additon to making sure i have all the knowledge i require to both spot and deal with any issues than could possibly arise, is two 10 yr old corn snakes that have lived together without any single issue as a basis for STILL keeping my two girls together. |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 22:56:34
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
I don't have to listen to you Mike - I have my own experience here, wind yr neck in please. Your views have been made quite obvious. Once is enough.
I'll say one thing mate, I'm not being prejudicial as your'e actually trying to research but IMO going the wrong way about it, that attitude won't get you anywhere. You asked for opinions, and that's what your'e getting backed up with facts,of course you don't have to listen but it'll be on your conconcuence (sp?) if you make a mistake..
My opinions on cohabiting, as with many things with snakes (with some exceptions) seems logical enough "They wouldn't do in the wild, why do it in captivity?"
Okay fair enough some snakes mass hibernate but theyr'e asleep, so the canibalism wont be a risk and plus, those are more "social" if you will, snakes. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:01:22
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
And the evidence i am using, in additon to making sure i have all the knowledge i require to both spot and deal with any issues than could possibly arise, is two 10 yr old corn snakes that have lived together without any single issue as a basis for STILL keeping my two girls together.
You are elluding to the fact that you do not have all the relevant information to keep doing it safely.
Someone i knew was doing drugs for nearly 15 years with no problem, one day it killed him. When i was young, before internet even, i kept to adult corns together for years, no dramas at all, one evening i came in to find the head of one in the mouth of the other.
Do you get my point?? |
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:06:30
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You asked for opinions, and that's what your'e getting backed up with facts,of course you don't have to listen but it'll be on your conconcuence (sp?) if you make a mistake..
Looking at the current facts as stated by respondants to the poll - nearly 30% have +ve experiences, 57% opinion is purely based on what they have read. The majority with actual experience show +ve views of co-habitation. BASED ON POLL RESPONDANTS |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:10:39
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
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Originally posted by hillzi
You asked for opinions, and that's what your'e getting backed up with facts,of course you don't have to listen but it'll be on your conconcuence (sp?) if you make a mistake..
Looking at the current facts as stated by respondants to the poll - nearly 30% have +ve experiences, 57% opinion is purely based on what they have read. The majority with actual experience show +ve views of co-habitation. BASED ON POLL RESPONDANTS
Theres a human error here, is there an actual answer that allows for "The SNAKE has had positive experience?" Or "The owner has had a positivie experience?"
I'm not doubting whether the experience is positive or not, I know I've had totally ill results from cohabiting.
and I'm pretty sure Mike's basing his facts from his own experience.
How many people have actually voted? |
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:12:08
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| Results are there for all to see, Just click on view results on bottom of the vote. |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:16:54
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Results are there for all to see, Just click on view results on bottom of the vote.
In all honesty, I know its for pure curiousity, but I don't think enough people have been sampled yet to provide a clear outcome. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:17:21
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
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Originally posted by hillzi
You asked for opinions, and that's what your'e getting backed up with facts,of course you don't have to listen but it'll be on your conconcuence (sp?) if you make a mistake..
Looking at the current facts as stated by respondants to the poll - nearly 30% have +ve experiences, 57% opinion is purely based on what they have read. The majority with actual experience show +ve views of co-habitation. BASED ON POLL RESPONDANTS
The world is bigger than this forum.
So, correct me if i am wrong, you are going to base your descision on what people say their experience is, people you do not know, you have never probably hear of before coming here.
However, you are going to ignore a lot of documented cases of co habitting going wrong, because it doesnt suit you and your plans.
If i told you that jumping off a 100ft cliff would make you a super hero, would you do it?? ignoring the fact that documented proof shows you that it would kill you???
its the same thing. |
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Posted - 17/02/2011 : 23:18:50
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| I agree hillzi - but i'm certainly not going to get all high and mightly and call people idiots and morons for not doing what i am or think they should be doing. Respect costs nothing. |
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