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 Posted - 14/02/2011 : 17:06:01
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Use the link that works rather than the one identified as a duff one 
http://www.snappoll.com/poll/360099.php
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Originally posted by mikerichards
i will vote when i have a few more minutes, however, what is is trying to prove?? there have been so many personal experiences, be it by someone themselves, or someone they know, and so many pictures floating about, that its kinda pointless, the risk exists, its not a matter of opinion, just a matter of fact.
My point is i'm interested in peoples experience and how they make them, rather than just been told this is how it is - especially given i have 2 10 yr old snakes that have been together for 10 yrs without any issue. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 17:52:58
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Originally posted by mikerichards
i will vote when i have a few more minutes, however, what is is trying to prove?? there have been so many personal experiences, be it by someone themselves, or someone they know, and so many pictures floating about, that its kinda pointless, the risk exists, its not a matter of opinion, just a matter of fact.
My point is i'm interested in peoples experience and how they make them, rather than just been told this is how it is - especially given i have 2 10 yr old snakes that have been together for 10 yrs without any issue.
Just because it can be done doesn't necessarily mean it should be. Yes, people have cohabited corns, such as yours, for many many years, and they may never have had a problem, but at the same time, other people have tried and ended up with gravid/stressed/agressive/dead snakes. The risk is there, the risk is real and, imo, never worth it for a beloved pet.
I could run across the road with my eyes closed and not get hit by a car- doesn't mean its safe though. |
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1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 18:03:21
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Bad idea - I have personal experience of co-habitation causing issues for snakes
Twas my vote XD |
   
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 18:20:18
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I've voted bad idea with no personal experience myself.
I love my snakes dearly and really would not want to risk it especially when its not neccessary. |
      
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:16:32
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
Use the link that works rather than the one identified as a duff one
http://www.snappoll.com/poll/360099.php
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Originally posted by mikerichards
i will vote when i have a few more minutes, however, what is is trying to prove?? there have been so many personal experiences, be it by someone themselves, or someone they know, and so many pictures floating about, that its kinda pointless, the risk exists, its not a matter of opinion, just a matter of fact.
My point is i'm interested in peoples experience and how they make them, rather than just been told this is how it is - especially given i have 2 10 yr old snakes that have been together for 10 yrs without any issue.
What?? That's rubbish, your not being told how it is, you are being shown, if you choose to ignore the risks then your an idiot.
I used to co hab, one female was sexes as a male, eggs at 14 months, super stressed snake, she very nearly died. Asking whether people do it or not is irrelevant, they are either stupid or experienced enough to deal with potential problems.
I will point out that ignoring the risk is very different to taking into account and being able to deal with it. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:31:16
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I will point out that ignoring the risk is very different to taking into account and being able to deal with it.
...and it would seem that most people just ignore the risk.
I'm amazed at the number of new or inexperienced keepers choosing to co-habit snakes that they have only just bought, makes me wish there was a "facepalm" smiley. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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qeeun speler
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:36:12
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
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Originally posted by mikerichards
I will point out that ignoring the risk is very different to taking into account and being able to deal with it.
...and it would seem that most people just ignore the risk.
I'm amazed at the number of new or inexperienced keepers choosing to co-habit snakes that they have only just bought, makes me wish there was a "facepalm" smiley.
 Couldn't resist... sorry
Should have added to my answer d'oh! My snakes were together for almost 10 years or it may have even been 10 years. Took me that long to realise my stupid mistake.
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:41:09
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I agree with you Sexybear77 - there is a difference in just ignoring ALL the evidence out there and doing proper research into a the subject leading to forming an objective opinion. As a post-graduate student I certainly know how to do research and i'm no idiot.
Thankfully not everyone comes across as rude and completely dismissive of others experience. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:49:08
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I agree with you Sexybear77 - there is a difference in just ignoring ALL the evidence out there and doing proper research into a the subject leading to forming an objective opinion. As a post-graduate student I certainly know how to do research and i'm no idiot.
Thankfully not everyone comes across as rude and completely dismissive of others experience.
If you are referring to me, I am neither rude nor dismissive. Like I said, it *can* be done by experienced keepers. However, I think any new keeper that chooses to co-habit, research or no, has a lot to answer for. With no (or limited) previous experience of snakes, as well as no in depth knowledge of their animals and their behaviour, how on earth can they expect to force naturally solitary creatures to live together in an enclosed, inescapable box, in a way that is well informed, monitored and suitable for the snakes welfare?
With regard to your post-grad comment, I'm not entirely sure what that had got to do with this discussion... |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 20:52:14
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| No i wasn't at all - thats why i said i agreed with u, none of yr comments ever come across as rude or dismissive or offensive |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 21:01:55
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No i wasn't at all - thats why i said i agreed with u, none of yr comments ever come across as rude or dismissive or offensive
Ah, fair enough then, just wasn't sure.
I will freely admit that co-habitation is the one subject that will really get my back up for the reasons mentioned above. It would certainly seem that the majority of new or inexperienced keepers read 95% negative comments and 5% positive, and so feel that it is perfectly ok to do so.
I have spoken to a fair few keepers who, like yourself, have had their corns together for many many years, and are loathe to separate- this I can understand, especially if the snakes were bought that way. Many will report that upon separation the snakes will act stressed, stop feeding or otherwise behave out of sorts- this I put down to a change of set-up, and given time the snakes would settle, but until the day I can prove this is the case, and that indeed the snakes do not feel some sort of attachment to one another, I simply accept that it happens for *a* reason, not a particular reason.
However, the reasons of space-saving, money-saving, snakes needing "friends" or the fact it looks nice to have different and attractive morphs on display together makes me cringe. I myself made mistakes when I first got snakes, mainly due to a lack of info, but I feel that having such opinions in a subject freely available, yet still ignoring it leaves a lot to be desired.
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 21:22:09
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I would never think money saving, space saving or related issues are any justifications for doing something. If you can't afford to do something properly then don't do it. Evidence and experience are the things to base decisions on. So thats something else we agree on
I won't start debating psychological aspects of snakes here LOL |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 21:27:12
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When I first got into snake keeping I have to say I knew the risks about cohabiting but thought as long as the situation was monitored then I considered it OK, I do remember having a debate on here about it and the strength of the response from EXPERIENCED keepers had me rethinking my stand point.
Over the past 3 months only I have heard 3 clear cases of where cohabiting had caused problems. An unexpected clutch of eggs, an attempt to eat the other snake and very recently a regurge that couldn't be pinned to either snake. Thats only the threads I have read on here, I don't read everything religiously, something may have slipped by, so just in this forum community in 3 months, 3 cases against cohabiting has swung my personal belief that snakes should not be housed together under ANY circumstances. Non of this is personal experience but I don't know if this applies to anyone else on here but I feel quite attatched to all the little snakes on here, hearing about how they get on and progress and really hope that I don't ever have to read about a dead snake killed by another. |
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Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 21:44:22
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
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Originally posted by Mr Subz
I agree with you Sexybear77 - there is a difference in just ignoring ALL the evidence out there and doing proper research into a the subject leading to forming an objective opinion. As a post-graduate student I certainly know how to do research and i'm no idiot.
Thankfully not everyone comes across as rude and completely dismissive of others experience.
If you are referring to me, I am neither rude nor dismissive. Like I said, it *can* be done by experienced keepers. However, I think any new keeper that chooses to co-habit, research or no, has a lot to answer for. With no (or limited) previous experience of snakes, as well as no in depth knowledge of their animals and their behaviour, how on earth can they expect to force naturally solitary creatures to live together in an enclosed, inescapable box, in a way that is well informed, monitored and suitable for the snakes welfare?
With regard to your post-grad comment, I'm not entirely sure what that had got to do with this discussion...
It was aimed at me Rach.
Maybe I do across as being rude, but then little attention seems to be paid otherwise, and to say I am dismissive is weird, I didn't dismiss anything, merely pointed out the facts. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
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Posted - 14/02/2011 : 23:51:44
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| Your a hard ass no BS kinda guy Mike but you speak the truth. Though a name change to Chuck Norris may be in order. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
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ozziesmum
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/02/2011 : 10:52:13
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| My two came co-habiting when I got them but as a total novice I took the advice of the members on here and immediately ordered a new viv to be built but I do have to say that as a novice when you read through some of the articles relating to various problems you think you might have on here it scares you to death and until my new viv was built about a week and a half later I certainly didn't get a decent nights sleep, but I guess that's just me a born worrier where any of my pets are concerned. |
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Yearling
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Posted - 15/02/2011 : 15:22:14
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Just voted as against, no personal experience but I wouldn't risk it. I think a lot of people maybe do it without research but trying to be kind because they think a snake might get lonely, even though I believe most types of snakes lead solitary lives, bar breeding booty calls(I may be wrong here, feel free to correct)! Think people sometimes imagine animals as small humans, so because humans generally like company, so to must snakes!
Even animals that socialise in the wild don't always like company, I was told my rabbit shouldn't live alone but she hates other small furries and is extremly territorial! |
1.0.0 Carolina Motley Cornsnake - Vin, 0.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa - Rio, 0.1.0 IJJ Carpet Python - Luna, 0.1.0 Dwarf Sunfire Reticulated Python - Helia, 1.0.0 Royal Python - Jasper, 0.1.0 Spaniel - Jess; RIP Gypsy - a beautiful girl through and through, 0.1.0 Rabbit - Binky, RIP Indy, Jan 2010 - Aug 2011, and Ace, Jan 2009 - Aug 2011 |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
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Posted - 15/02/2011 : 19:09:27
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Just voted as against, no personal experience but I wouldn't risk it. I think a lot of people maybe do it without research but trying to be kind because they think a snake might get lonely, even though I believe most types of snakes lead solitary lives, bar breeding booty calls(I may be wrong here, feel free to correct)! Think people sometimes imagine animals as small humans, so because humans generally like company, so to must snakes!
Even animals that socialise in the wild don't always like company, I was told my rabbit shouldn't live alone but she hates other small furries and is extremly territorial!
That's good reasoning, and correct reasoning too.
All too often people come on here and say things like, one of my snakes just regurged, one has a bad attitude, ones ill, ones gravid, or one has just laid eggs.
Every single time the cause or one of the causes has been co habitting. Not.enough research is done, knowing temps and food sizes isn't enough! Not enough people realise that. |
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Thante
Hatchling
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Posted - 15/02/2011 : 23:47:14
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I co-habited my two snakes for a couple of weeks, purely because i was amassing the money to get the separate tanks for them.
I had them quarantined for a while, sexed and checked and all that.
They where fine together, less active, but no other change. In the end it was just out of personal choice that i wanted to keep them apart in the end, not because of any problems of issues. |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/02/2011 : 01:17:52
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Yippeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee
I'm not an idiot after all lol
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1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
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