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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 15/08/2010 : 18:24:54
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Ooops I should've quoted eeji, sorry, getting posts mixed up, been that sort of day, yeah, Josh, know what you mean ... I'm more afraid of PEOPLE than snakes!
Present company excepted of course! |
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josh9961
Hatchling
United Kingdom
381 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2010 : 20:06:15
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Aha snakes are easier to read, eg. you can tell when a snake is about to dump a ton ofpoopon you  |
2.3 Corn Snakes
0.1 Bci
1.0 Spur thighed Tortoise
0.0.15 Stick insects
0.0.1 Shield Mantis |
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2010 : 20:27:35
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LOL! Unless you think it's just relaxing ...
Still, snake dump is easier to deal with than the kind ofpoopsome people produce ... |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2010 : 21:16:48
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Originally posted by josh9961
snake venom isnt usually harmful at all if ingested, the enzymes in the saliva break it down :)
your information is not entirely correct, both the first half, and well, and the second half!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2010 : 22:29:24
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Originally posted by mikerichards
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Originally posted by josh9961
snake venom isnt usually harmful at all if ingested, the enzymes in the saliva break it down :)
your information is not entirely correct, both the first half, and well, and the second half!!
Was just about to respond with the same thing.
Hence why they say that attempting to suck the venom out is a bad thing (unless it's a film), otherwise you end up with 1 envenomated person and one poisoned person.
Both potentially life threatening. |
-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon
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josh9961
Hatchling
United Kingdom
381 Posts |
Posted - 15/08/2010 : 22:42:37
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| But, but nat geo wild lied! D= |
2.3 Corn Snakes
0.1 Bci
1.0 Spur thighed Tortoise
0.0.15 Stick insects
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 00:05:55
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Originally posted by josh9961
All snakes are harmless unless given provocation to defend themselves. If I found say an escaped boa in my house, I'd lock it in the room, give it water and contact ameyzoo. It's stupid the way people react to snakes. I'm more scared of dogs than snakes.
Thats not true either, A king Cobra is not harmless, provoked or otherwise.
A cornsnake is not harmless either, its capable of puncturing the skin, and sometimes its not provoked, or not what you would think was provoked anyway!
To say all snakes are harmless is crazy, go find yourself a black mamba, see how harmless they are when not provoked!
Peoples reaction to snakes is fuelled by the media, the media portray all snakes are being beyond evil, and incredibly dangerous.
Of course this is rubbish, however, its irresponsible owners that give the media their ammunition!
Going back to your quote, tell me something, if you handle a mouse, then get the snake out, when it bites you, is it then harmless??
Afterall, you havent provoked aggression, just a feeding response!
If you think all snakes are harmless unless provoked, you are more than welcome to come back down here and have a crack at changing the water in the Hogg Islands viv. Without the use of the grabber or gloves!
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Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 01:47:59
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Oh, shucks, I missed all this - I was so zonked I fell asleep at 9 ...
I was actually entertaining a journalist yesterday - my brother in law's dog, who writes a column in a newsletter for Cwm Penmachno near Betwsy Coed, but he's very responsible, and down there they have a big population of slow worms.
Sweep is the only journalist I know of who respects reptiles ...
ps, don't leak this to the tabloids or there will be a big shock horror probe about a dog chained to a computer in a wild Welsh valley inhabited by thousands of blood crazed legless lizards ... |
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josh9961
Hatchling
United Kingdom
381 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 02:25:42
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| Okay I've been proven completely wrong on all fronts, just gonna slink away with tail between legs. If anyone needs me I'll be in the corner. |
2.3 Corn Snakes
0.1 Bci
1.0 Spur thighed Tortoise
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 04:42:33
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Actually in partial defense of the saliva response, it would also depend on the type of venom.
There are neurotoxic, cytotoxic and hemotoxic venoms. Each has different properties and most can potentially kill you if untreated, some could kill you regardless.
Or is there 2, it's nearly 5am and I'm not actually awake properly.
I think the cyto and hemotoxic may fall in the same category.
Bearded dragons for example have a hemotoxic venom, as do rattlesnakes. Hemotoxic will cause thinning of the blood and tissue inflammation and severe pain, have a thinky about that the next time you go to finger feed your Beardie. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 09:03:35
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
Actually in partial defense of the saliva response, it would also depend on the type of venom.
There are neurotoxic, cytotoxic and hemotoxic venoms. Each has different properties and most can potentially kill you if untreated, some could kill you regardless.
Or is there 2, it's nearly 5am and I'm not actually awake properly.
I think the cyto and hemotoxic may fall in the same category.
Bearded dragons for example have a hemotoxic venom, as do rattlesnakes. Hemotoxic will cause thinning of the blood and tissue inflammation and severe pain, have a thinky about that the next time you go to finger feed your Beardie.
I agree, partially wrong, neurotoxic venom can be broken down by digestive enzymes, haemotoxic cannot.
I can think of 4 venom classes, haemotoxic, neurotoxic, myotoxic, and cytotoxic. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 10:01:37
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Blimey, mate, your average journalist couldn't even SPELL that lot!
Hi, Josh, good morning! This is being a good thread, and in the first instance, about media inaccuracy, you're RIGHT! |
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josh9961
Hatchling
United Kingdom
381 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 10:13:45
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| So like 1/3 right I can live with that |
2.3 Corn Snakes
0.1 Bci
1.0 Spur thighed Tortoise
0.0.15 Stick insects
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 11:46:37
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The media arent always innacurate, its just they dont bother to tell both sides of the story, any snake is aggressive, all snakes can bite, thats what the media play on, the dont bother with the softy side of them, that doesnt sell papers.
Go to the sun website and search for snakes, theres 3 i can think of straight away, 'n*bhead' Marvin, with a false water cobra, a couple of lads with a carpet python they 'made' bite a young lad, and a guys unsupervised burm in the garden eating the neighbours cat!
Notice how all three stink of incompetence though. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 13:43:05
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 (Cringe)
Yup, exactly what we've been saying - hype and sensationalism to sell a story and b***er accuracy. And as you say, it's always the idiots that get the limelight.
I read another one a while back, about a 'terrified housewife' who found a snake in her washing machine, curled up on the dry laundry ... (anyone other than me find this sounds highly implausible?) Anyway the cops were called (Allo, allo, allo!) and there's a pic of a brave policewoman nabbing the snake with a hook. (Let's be having you!)
It was, as you may have guessed, a highly venomous, blood crazed, vicious and savage ... corn snake.
(And then there's another tale of a guy who found a snake waggling down before his eyes from his car roof as he was driving along in the rain ... It was, of course, a windscreen viper!!)
Sorry, couldn't resist ... |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 14:28:04
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Originally posted by BurnedAtTheStake
.......I read another one a while back, about a 'terrified housewife' who found a snake in her washing machine, curled up on the dry laundry ... (anyone other than me find this sounds highly implausible?)...........
I read about that as well, it even scared her 2 'little boys', they were 17 and 19 I think.
In regards the washing machine incident, I do believe it is possible, and I know that someone on here knows it is as well, and little Jally apparently has a lovely shine to him now. So if you want your snake to shine, use Daz. |
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 14:56:59
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
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Originally posted by BurnedAtTheStake
.......I read another one a while back, about a 'terrified housewife' who found a snake in her washing machine, curled up on the dry laundry ... (anyone other than me find this sounds highly implausible?)...........
I read about that as well, it even scared her 2 'little boys', they were 17 and 19 I think.
In regards the washing machine incident, I do believe it is possible, and I know that someone on here knows it is as well, and little Jally apparently has a lovely shine to him now. So if you want your snake to shine, use Daz.
OMG LOL. That must have been Ariel shock! Hope the snake was found before they turned the machine on! |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 15:32:35
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| Oh dear god, you two are as bad as each other! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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BurnedAtTheStake
Yearling
United Kingdom
915 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 15:50:49
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Oh dear god, you two are as bad as each other!
It's CCD - contagious corniness disease! It's a forum of virus ... you can't help catching the bug ... |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/08/2010 : 15:55:15
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It's all snakes! Trust me, I know! Look at my Sig.
Which reminds me, there's more to add! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Venomous, not POISONOUS, VENOMOUS!
