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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
 Posted - 04/05/2010 : 23:52:35
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with correct mat size and thermostat my temp is fine throughout the day but at night when the lights off, my temp drops to betwwen 21 and 23 even though the mat is still on my corn seems ok as during this time he heads to the colder side anyway. any tips?
thanks
jamie |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 11:07:30
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Rex is gorgeous Jamie, makes me think that he is what my Silvesta would have looked like when he was small.
I dont quite know why your temps are dropping so much when the lights go out unless you have the thermometer probe in the wrong place.
You need to place the probe for both the stat and the thermometer in the same place, lying horizontally along the top of the heatmat. Some members rubber band them together. You will need to weigh them down with a heavy hide or stones to stop Rex from moving them about. By doing this the stat should be keeping in the heatmat at a set heat and the digital thermometer should be showing that - 24/7. You then cover the heatmat and probes with a small layer of substrate....deepening it so that Rex can burrow in the cool end. I am no expert, but this is how I have mine set up and it works well. Hopefully others will either confirm this is right or correct me soon.
Have you changed the lights to low wattage ones? They need to be that now as you are getting your heat from the heatmat so dont need the added heat from the lights.
Hope this is helpful.
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 12:14:17
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thats really helped, my thermometer and stat is in one peice as its a duel one. but ive had it about 2" above substrate and not touching the mat at all. so to confirm the probe should be lay on the mat touching it and substarte over that? so im taking the direct temp from that? ive been taking the temp from to high then.
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REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Posted - 05/05/2010 : 13:26:37
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hi guys im in need ov sum advice about my corn. I have a 24 week old snow corn hu seems reli happy in its vivarium and is eating brilliantly bt does not like me trying 2 handle it and regularly takes aim at my fingers lol  i have only ever handled adult snakes so i dont want 2 hurt this lil guy by doing anything wrong so any advice wud b reli appreciated
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 21:47:12
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Hi queenie,
im new on here to, every one is great. ive had a similar stuation with mine and was advised to allow a settloing in period of a week or so. as im sure you have read. but mine seems really relaxed now.
j |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Dan-sunkist
Hatchling
Ireland
143 Posts |
Posted - 05/05/2010 : 22:25:11
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hey queenie the striking of a young snake is not unusual they are just more nearvy and and unsettled than older snakes our little one tiggs strikes at me every time i change the water but its because your invading her space she is getting better now. let them settle for a few days and try again slowly and gently let them come and investigate you rather than pick them up out of the viv. hope this helps ya
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Posted - 06/05/2010 : 00:37:23
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hi guys thanks for the advice it is very much appreciated although i discovered it had started shedding today and i've been told tht this can make them nervy ( is that ryt?) and more likely 2 get defensive, so i was wondering how long is a normal length ov tym 4 a corn 2 shed n is their anythin i can do 2 make it easier 4 Snowy?
sorry bout all the questions lol bt i wana make sure i get things ryt xxxxx |
Snow Corn - Snowy
(These arent mine bt i had 2 include them as they r all in the house lol)
Amel Corn - Sunshine
Fire bellied toad - Todd
Fire bellied toad - Babs
Fire bellied newt - Neil
Bosc Monitor - Dipstick
Jack Russell - Gizmo
Rottweiler - Nala |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 03:21:03
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Originally posted by jamie6125
thats really helped, my thermometer and stat is in one peice as its a duel one. but ive had it about 2" above substrate and not touching the mat at all. so to confirm the probe should be lay on the mat touching it and substarte over that? so im taking the direct temp from that? ive been taking the temp from to high then.
It certainly sounds as though that is why you have been noticing the drop in temp when the light goes off, and the danger is that because the stat probe is at that level as well it will be telling the heatmat that it is too cool in the viv and the heatmat will be getting hotter to compensate, maybe too hot - which is why Rex has been heading over to the cool side.
I would definitely lay the probe for your stat and thermometer (never knew they could come together) horizontally along the heatmat, just make sure it is weighed down so it cant be moved. See if that helps in keeping your temps steady.
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Originally posted by Queenie90
.....I have a 24 week old snow corn hu seems reli happy in its vivarium and is eating brilliantly bt does not like me trying 2 handle it and regularly takes aim at my fingers lol i have only ever handled adult snakes so i dont want 2 hurt this lil guy.....
How long have you had Snowy? Jamie is right about leaving him for a week to settle in. If you didnt do this then it might be an idea to do it now. This means just putting your hand in to change the water daily and straighten the substrate, so he can get used to your smell and not be threatened by you. You mustnt worry about him not feeding for that week, corns are a lot hardier than we realise and going for a week without food will not do them any harm, no matter how small they are.
You say that he is eating brilliantly, is he being fed in his viv? This can cause problems if they swallow some of the substrate with their food and some people also believe that it can mean that whenever you put your hand in the viv the snake associates it with being fed....so if you are doing that it may be an idea to think about feeding him in a RUB.
I can totally understand what you say about not wanting to hurt him. I have only ever handled adults, and seeing the pics of the babies on here scares me! I have had an adult that was not handled at all well by his previous owner so had to ‘start from the beginning’ with him, the way I would imagine you would with a hatchling.
I always fiddle with my snakes' substrate whenever I change their water, so every morning...just airing it and checking for poo, but it is a really good way to spread my smell around their viv. Also, when I go to handle them I go in slowly, and again I fiddle with the substrate a bit because that way I am getting their scent on my hands, which I think must help in keeping them calm. It also warns them that you are in their viv so they are not surprised.
Neither of my corns come onto my hand...wanting to be picked up. It is a case of me choosing to pick them up from wherever they are in the viv. I know some of the forums' corns do this, but not all...so dont worry if Snowy doesn't. When you do pick him up try not to come at him from above, but rather scoop him up from the sides....that will scare him less.
Very calmly and confidently scoop him up, using both hands and being careful to support him so he isnt dangling. Hold him firmly and gently as he WILL try to escape from your grip and strike at you - but that is a natural reaction for him and you must not react to it but continue as you are. Hold him fairly firmly but gently to bring him out of the viv. Once you have him out sit with him (covering your lap with a towel is a good idea in case he decides to poo on you) and just let him run through your hands, moving one to the other to the other and so on. He will seem flighty and scared to begin with...but again, you have to realise it is natural and something both he and you have to get used to. You must just be very calm and steady with your movements. Dont have him out for more than 5 minutes to begin with. Repeat again and again and again....(except for 48hrs after eating of course!)....and you will begin to notice a difference in his behaviour as he gets used to being handled and will begin to tolerate it. As he gets used to it so will you and your confidence will grow. You can then lengthen the amount of time you have him out and allow him to begin to explore your body and then around you...but that is a long way off. At the moment it is a case of quality not quantity.
Snowy will be able to tell you are not confident and that will make him more stressed. It is a case of you needing to 'fake it until you feel it'...behave calmly and gently, with no sudden movements, and he will respond positively to that. His reaction when you go to pick him up will be a fear response...but that will lessen with time.
It really is a case of time and patience. Take it slow and trust yourself...only when you do that will he trust you.
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Originally posted by Queenie90
....i discovered it had started shedding today and i've been told tht this can make them nervy ( is that ryt?).....how long is a normal length ov tym 4 a corn 2 shed n is their anythin i can do 2 make it easier 4 Snowy?
sorry bout all the questions lol bt i wana make sure i get things ryt xxxxx
If Snowy is showing signs of shedding it will mean he has turned 'blue'. His eyes will be dull and misty, which will mean that during this period he is virtually blind and will definitely be scared by any handling. I dont handle or feed my corns from the point of them turning blue to them shedding, although I know some forum members do - it really is a case of being different for each snake and an owners personal preference, I choose to reduce the amount of stress my corns are under during this time and leave them alone.
The time it takes for them to shed differs. They will be dull with cloudy eyes for 3 - 4 days and will probably hide away for all of this time. Then everything will clear up and it will look as though they have shed but there isnt a shed skin in their viv  . Even during this time they are partially sighted so will still be nervy. A few days after that you need to watch out for signs of Snowy rubbing his head against the sides of the viv, his hides, branches, etc. This means he is beginning to shed and is trying to loosen the skin around his head. When it happens it happens fairly quickly....and I am sure there is a corn conspiracy that they shed as soon as their owners have left the room, so we miss seeing them do it  !!
As this is his first shed with you I would think you shouldnt need to do anything to help him with it other than leave him alone. Hopefully he should shed fine, without any problems. When he does shed you need to check the shed skin for the eye-caps and tail tip, as if they are retained it can cause problems. If he does retain skin when he sheds this time round then there are things you can do to help him next time, but most corns shed without any help.
Please dont apologise for the questions. No question is regarded as a silly question on this forum .....it is much better asked and answered, you will probably find others who want the info too! First place to look is in the top right hand corner of the screen where there is a search button...type in what you are worried about and see if you can find an answer. I know you can get swamped with different topics including what you are searching for, so it is a bit daunting but worth a look. If you cant find the answer you are looking for then dont hesitate to ask!
Hope this has been helpful.
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Posted - 06/05/2010 : 15:45:42
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thanks Kellog i reli appreciate the advice :) Snowy seems 2 be sheddin fine and i'll deff try wot u sed about handlin him/her (still dnt kno the sex yet)bt i'll leave him/her alone till its completely shed :)
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Snow Corn - Snowy
(These arent mine bt i had 2 include them as they r all in the house lol)
Amel Corn - Sunshine
Fire bellied toad - Todd
Fire bellied toad - Babs
Fire bellied newt - Neil
Bosc Monitor - Dipstick
Jack Russell - Gizmo
Rottweiler - Nala |
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Posted - 06/05/2010 : 15:56:12
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 10:02:07
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Just like to inform you all ive hit the week stage and Rex has been handled and he loved it! very calm and relaxed. he as also had his first feed and taken it well. although because hes quit oung when would the next feed be advised for?
thank
Jamie and Rex |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/05/2010 : 10:08:43
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Try to feed about once every 7 days for now.
If you make up a feeding chart you'll have an idea of the dates when he feeds and when he's due to feed then as well.
Just remember to not handle him for about 48 hours after feeding, as it gives him time to digest his food. |
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 10:51:06
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Hi could anyone recommened any good corn breeders in the north west please?
jamie |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 04:25:21
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quote:
Originally posted by jamie6125
Just like to inform you all ive hit the week stage and Rex has been handled and he loved it! very calm and relaxed. he as also had his first feed and taken it well. although because hes quit oung when would the next feed be advised for?
Jamie and Rex
That is fantastic news Jamie. Must have been so good to have finally got Rex out and had the chance to handle him properly, and it sounds as though you did really well as he was so calm and relaxed - which means you were  !
Just remember, as Kehhlyr said, no handling for 48 hrs after a feed. Now that you have had the chance to handle him and know what it is like you will actually find this period and the time between them going blue and shedding (when a lot of us dont handle our snakes as they are partially blind) even harder than the week you have just gone through!! Now you know what you are missing out on and will get withdrawal symptoms !!
It is such a relief when they eat, isnt it, and quite amazing to watch.
Cant help you with the northern breeders I am afraid, but I am sure that northerners still outnumber the southerners on the forum so someone should be able to help.....not think about snake number 2 already are you ?!
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 10:54:58
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Thanks for the reply you are correc in the fact that these 48hrs are killng me 48hrs are up at 5ish saturday night. hes just been in his since the feed.
He seems to be on the cold side most of the time does this indicate the warm side is to hot? its currently set at27 degrees should i shift down and try 26?
Im not looking to buy another snake yet. but most likely when im more experienced and just would like to know a god breeder for when it happens.
thanks
jamie |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 11:54:12
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Hi guys is there any better substrate to use than what im useing?
(check picture)
jamie
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REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 08/05/2010 : 12:42:07
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Which substrate you use is purely down to prefference, but there are plenty of different ones which can be used.
I use Aspen at the minute, its absorbant, looks good and the snakes can burrow init very easily. This is a very popular option its easilly available and alot of people on the forum use it.
I am considering switching to auboise which. I havn't used this myself but several people on the forum do. It is a horse bedding, apparently it is similar to Aspen but alot cheaper, downside apparently it can be fairly hard to get hold of depending on where you live.
there are different wood chips and pellets like what you use and also orchard bark, but it should be noted that this often comes damp and holds moisture so must be baked first to allow it to dry out. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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elament
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 09/05/2010 : 13:37:15
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What you are using there is beech chippings. I tried them for a little while but was concerned about ingestion as I feed one of mine in the viv. I use aspen very popular and as said by Danny the snakes love to burrow in it. I also suspect that in the event any aspen could be ingested it would pass through the snakes digestive system a lot easier than a flippin great chunk of beech.
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1.1.0 Amel Corns Colin and Xena
1.0.0 Dog Talan
1.1.0 Cats Wotsit and Willow
1.0.0 Ferret Chaos
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jamie6125
Egg
United Kingdom
64 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2010 : 15:13:56
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Thanks!
a new pic of Rex |
REX - charcoal corn
ALBIE - albino/snow corn
GIZMO - miami?
Bestie - copper/grey (escapee)
Rose - candycane
Amber- bloodred motley
MOLLY - dog
SARAH - rat
JACK AND GEORGIA - children |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2010 : 16:43:59
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I'd try setting the hot end temp to 28 as snakes prefer the warmth specially when digesting, 26 is a bit cold for the hot end.
He is a very lovely snake such a lovely shiney head and lovely colours! It reminds me of Char when she was littler. He seems to really love the beach chips! I would say if you want more absorbency though that Aspen or Aubois is good. |
  
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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