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josh9961
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03/05/2010 : 20:30:51
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| Corn snakes have very gently keeled scales. You can just make it out if you hold the snakey up near your eyes. |
2.3 Corn Snakes
0.1 Bci
1.0 Spur thighed Tortoise
0.0.15 Stick insects
0.0.1 Shield Mantis |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 03/05/2010 : 23:17:06
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Originally posted by josh9961
Corn snakes have very gently keeled scales. You can just make it out if you hold the snakey up near your eyes.
...and the opposite of keeled is smooth scales - eg. kingsnakes and milksnakes have smooth scales, this is the reason they feel 'smoother' than corns. |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 05:12:49
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Originally posted by MacSpud
@ eeji
but it's not evolution through natural selection it's artificial selection by man. Limb loss was over a period of millennia and conveyed a selective advantage to the species. This doesn't fit those criteria at all and indeed the loss of scales in it's natural environment would be detrimental to the protection and hence survival of the snake. It's similar to breeding hairless cats as pets. Furs a good insulator and those moggies wouldn't last a decent winter in the wild in temperate climes, fur can also be used for camouflage for the big cats in hotter climates.
The melanin in snakes is also for camouflage.
I agree with the general philosophical point about breeding in any species, animal or plant. A certain level is acceptable and we've done it for thousands of years (dogs. horses, cows etc etc) and of course crops.
IMO we can go too far as we see with certain breeds of dogs and the problems they have.
I think there's a difference between breeding for traits which don't have an impact (or minimal) on the well-being of the species compared to those which do, for example hairless cats and imo scaleless snakes.
I don't think we should use evolution in this context.
I am in total agreement with you here MacSpud. What has happened through evolution has happened for reasons to do with the continuation of a species, for it to be able to survive and thrive in a new environment it has had to adapt to. What we do it mess with what God/nature intended (whichever you believe).
I do take your point about the amel, and now the scaleless corn, Eeji. Personally I think that snake just looks wrong. I remember it coming under discussion under a topic about the ugliest snake, and in this topic - http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=5745&whichpage=1&SearchTerms=scaleless+. We do get to enjoy snakes that have been 'meddled with' and are not as nature intended....but surely there must be a point where we say stop. Unfortunately I think I am being naive and idealistic to say and believe that....man will keep messing and keep 'creating' different types of animals etc....that maybe should never have been born. 
xxx
(by the way, its not blasphemy so say you want a different type of snake on here, just whisper it quietly rather than shout about it  ! You know other forum members keep a variety of different ones - as long as corns remain your favourites!  )
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 04/05/2010 : 09:41:46
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| shouldnt mess with mother nature.. and how animals are.. surely if these pathetic looking creatures would have been part of a natural process if it was ment to be included in the chain of morphs/types etc..then we would have seen it naturally.. not some muppet holding it up thinking hes mr clever ******* oohh im gonna make alot of money off this,.. it may look pretty but everything serves a purpose.. snakes have had scales for an age so as per.. man steps in and starts messing... shouldnt be done. |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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45 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 12:41:24
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| i want to know how do they shed ?? |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 16:56:50
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Originally posted by mischang
i want to know how do they shed ??
Like a regular snake apparently. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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Posted - 06/05/2010 : 19:31:14
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| eewww i bet its like taking ur pj's off as any one actually got one of these on here ?? |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 19:39:04
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Originally posted by mischang
eewww i bet its like taking ur pj's off as any one actually got one of these on here ??
Nope. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 19:44:07
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Originally posted by mischang
eewww i bet its like taking ur pj's off as any one actually got one of these on here ??
What's wrong with PJ's? :o I love my PJ's. |
  
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Posted - 06/05/2010 : 20:00:11
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| nothing at all but u would be naked and uncomfy but never i suppose i would to live in mine too lol |
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LittleMick
Yearling
United Kingdom
563 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 22:26:57
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| I think breeding them all depends on how well they survive, if they live normal lives then why not breed them? I'd probably be more concerned if they were missing the ventral scales as well as the later and dorsal scales as that's how they move. Also, I haven't really loked into it much but there's supposed to be/or has been research done on whether scaless snake suffer from water and /or heat loss?!?! So if that's the case then yeah it would be cruel to breed them. |
0.4.0 Gerbils (Gemini, Pica, Gerty and Sasha)
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko (Elle)
1.0.0 Carolina Corn Snake(Elijah)
0.0.1 Emperor/Imperial Scorpion (Abbi)
2.0.0 Roborovski Dwarf Hamsters (Micro & Chippy)
Tropical fish - 6 Platys.6 Mollies.9 Glowlight Tetra.4 Pearl Gouramis.4 Apple Snails.1 Tiger Plec.2 Common Bristlenose Plecs and lots of babies. |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 06/05/2010 : 23:54:59
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They look like a cross between leopard geckos and a cornsnake to me.
Provided that the fact there's no cruelty in breeding or keeping them, I'd probably have one given the chance.
But then again provided there's no cruelty in bredding/keeping any reptiles then I'd probably have most things. |
-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon
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joetheimpaler
Egg
United Kingdom
84 Posts |
Posted - 07/05/2010 : 21:46:48
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| that snake looks like its made of rubber, but if its real then yes it is cruel and i cant belive that people would go to such lengths to get money! MEAN!!! |
1 dog-indie
3 cats-martha,meow and pippin,
1 corn snake -Topaz.
4 chickens - Psycho, Dutch, Alan and ownage
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Posted - 08/11/2010 : 16:33:51
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I don't think it's necessarily 'cruel' as like people have mentioned they can shed fine and as it doesn't appear to have any extreme detrimental effects to the snake's quality of life... it's more or less just the same as breeding for amel, anery etc as you're just selectively breeding for one specific trait for money and/or aesthetics...
if the snake couldn't move or shed properly though, that would be a different matter altogether... |
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dannyhayman
Hatchling
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 15:58:07
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| Some look liked used condoms to be with how their skin kinda shrivels and gathers when the snake bends XD |
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
507 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 16:03:31
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[quote]Originally posted by Figs
...i wonder what they feel like to touch
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1.0 Corns Geoff (Ghost)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa - Heidi
1.1 Kings - Pete (Florida) + Mamba (Cali Stripe)
1.2 Ball Pythons (Pastel + Bumblebee + Normal)
Location : Warrington, Cheshire |
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sullysteve
Yearling
United Kingdom
507 Posts |
Posted - 10/11/2010 : 16:04:25
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| would they still shed? |
1.0 Corns Geoff (Ghost)
0.1 Brazilian Rainbow Boa - Heidi
1.1 Kings - Pete (Florida) + Mamba (Cali Stripe)
1.2 Ball Pythons (Pastel + Bumblebee + Normal)
Location : Warrington, Cheshire |
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Only1Nitro
Hatchling
United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2013 : 17:15:20
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| I would have one after watching snakebytes the info is dont feed live as the scales protect against attack also the ventral scales are important for a snakes mobility so they will stay but they live happy captive lives |
Male Charcoal = Sterling
Female Carolina = Fofo
Female Butter = Amarelo
12 Eggs
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yalovit
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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