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reptiledanny
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 Posted - 19/12/2009 : 19:59:15
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| excatly wat matty sed. they have to keep alot of stock and if they did have some die or get eaten they arent guna tel you are they. also they will be expierienced and be able to notice signs of stress and you probably wont. it is not advicable. just don't do it. go owt as soon as possible and buy a new run and seperate them plz. like i sed b4. do it 4 us. |
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:02:23
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| do it for all the forum guys lol ok then as i found out today that my amel is a female i have allready split them up |
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:02:24
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Because pet shops also want sales. They want you to spend money and so do not advise you about the problems cohabiting can have. Lizards and snakes are solitary creatures mostly, they do not need companions, they don't learn from each other. By keeping them in the same enclosure, you are making them fight for the best spots and not giving them any respite from each other.
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devilsmistress
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:03:26
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Im not jumping in to argure, Im not going to say your right he is wrong, But just something I thought I would mention as You have your snakes together. If one gets mites they will both have them, If one gets an RI you will need to take both to the vet. All I wanted to say is is it worth the risk of 2 snakes helth when It can so easily be avoided?
Thats my input and Its all im going to say on this thread!! |
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matty18714
The Count of Corniness
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:05:32
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Originally posted by ivan.reho
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Originally posted by matty18714
Reptile shops need to keep alot of stock in a small area. To do this, alot of shops house snakes together. They wont do this and then tell you not to keep them together, they would be contradicting themselves.
With small corns the odds of them causing each other harm are higher. Also understand that you are new to keeping snakes and may not notice signs of stress.
you dont under stand how many was put together tho would they not loose out on money cos they would die or eat each other
i have been to reptile shops that dont pair them they also say the say y is there such a big debate on this ???
they had 2 adult corns there paired together and the tub was sooo small whats all that about surely they should be stressed and eating eachother
Is that not enough to show you that they are trying to save space?
Thats a corner that they cut. You as a keeper should do better than the bare minimum.
Also, the corns were fully grown, so the chances of them eating each other are alot smaller. |
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:10:03
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| hello guys i know no ones is gonna go on my side i have allready split them up!!! lol as one is a female |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:15:18
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well done for seperating them Ivan
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Originally posted by reptiledanny
. also they will be expierienced and be able to notice signs of stress and you probably wont.
I would suggest Danny, that the shops that keep snakes in the same viv, has nothing to do with experienced keeping, if these shops have keepers that are experienced then they would not put multiple snakes in the same vivs, as for noticing that the snakes are getting stressed i would doubt as they would spend most of their time away from the shop, it is purely for space. If I was buying from a shop i would only buy from ones that keep the snakes safe and held seperately, and there are a lot shops out there that do. |
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reptiledanny
Sub Adult
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:15:31
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| thank you, finalyy. did you do it becuz of wat we sed or becuz you found owt that one was female. if that on hadn't been female would you have still split them up. |
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reptiledanny
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:19:15
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Originally posted by gmac
well done for seperating them Ivan
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Originally posted by reptiledanny
. also they will be expierienced and be able to notice signs of stress and you probably wont.
I would suggest Danny, that the shops that keep snakes in the same viv, has nothing to do with experienced keeping, if these shops have keepers that are experienced then they would not put multiple snakes in the same vivs, as for noticing that the snakes are getting stressed i would doubt as they would spend most of their time away from the shop, it is purely for space. If I was buying from a shop i would only buy from ones that keep the snakes safe and held seperately, and there are a lot shops out there that do.
ye i know that bit you could have an expierienced keeper that is thinking of there shop and keeps two or three together but watches for stress. a shop near me dus it. they keep two or three together but watch for stress levels and change the corns around if they get stressed. |
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matty18714
The Count of Corniness
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:21:21
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Originally posted by gmac
well done for seperating them Ivan
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Originally posted by reptiledanny
. also they will be expierienced and be able to notice signs of stress and you probably wont.
I would suggest Danny, that the shops that keep snakes in the same viv, has nothing to do with experienced keeping, if these shops have keepers that are experienced then they would not put multiple snakes in the same vivs, as for noticing that the snakes are getting stressed i would doubt as they would spend most of their time away from the shop, it is purely for space. If I was buying from a shop i would only buy from ones that keep the snakes safe and held seperately, and there are a lot shops out there that do.
Are you talking about snakes in general here or young snakes?
Many shops will keep adults of various species together, I think you will struggle to find many that dont. Although I wouldnt do it, I dont think it is as bad as keeping young snakes together. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:37:50
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Are you talking about snakes in general here or young snakes?
Many shops will keep adults of various species together, I think you will struggle to find many that dont. Although I wouldnt do it, I dont think it is as bad as keeping young snakes together.
young snakes in general Matty, the rep shop that i now use keeps all their snakes individually no matter what age. I havent been in any shops that keep older snakes of mixed species together. but a lot of them keep same species younger snakes together. |
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:39:47
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| if both was male i would off kept them together unless i saw signs off stress only because i found out it was female i took it out |
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SexyBear77
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matty18714
The Count of Corniness
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:42:10
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Originally posted by gmac
Are you talking about snakes in general here or young snakes?
Many shops will keep adults of various species together, I think you will struggle to find many that dont. Although I wouldnt do it, I dont think it is as bad as keeping young snakes together.
young snakes in general Matty, the rep shop that i now use keeps all their snakes individually no matter what age. I havent been in any shops that keep older snakes of mixed species together. but a lot of them keep same species younger snakes together.
Maybe I worded that badly. I meant more than one of a species in a viv, not more than one species in a viv. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:45:00
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| sorry Matty i misunderstood, the shop i use dont keep more than 1 snake per viv. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 20:46:51
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| Quite a few shops keep multiple snakes in together as it saves space and makes more financial or business sense, though that doesnt make it acceptable. |
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Paulusworm
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 21:01:40
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The rep store I use don't cohabit snakes. Tortoises, female leos, anoles and other communal species yes but snakes no.
My own personal opinion is that the risks far outweigh the fact that it looks nice so it's just not worth it. I've been watching this thread develop and I'm glad to see that you made the right choice in seperating them. |
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Kehhlyr
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Posted - 19/12/2009 : 21:06:46
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Originally posted by ivan.reho
hello guys i know no ones is gonna go on my side i have allready split them up!!! lol as one is a female
It's not about taking sides, it's about the safety of the snakes.
The only people I know that co-habit are experienced keepers and have the the ability to safely co-habit, and even then it's more often only done for breeding purposes, so is only also done for short periods of monitored time.
My biggest quibble personally was the fact that the sexes of the snakes were unknown, the chance of a young pregnancy in the snake would have been potentially detrimental to the snake.
Plus, Like what devilsmistress said, if one gets an infection/mites etc, then it will cost you twice the amount at the vets.
And vets bill aren't cheap, one of our members on here fairly recently had an ADULT snake become egg-bound and it cost a fair amount in vets bills.
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/12/2009 : 04:36:24
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Ivan, I am so glad you have seperated them...well done. I dont care why you did it, I am just glad they are apart. It will be interesting to see whether there are any changes in their personality/behaviour now that they are no longer being forced to share a living space.
Getting your snake sexed was the right thing to do and has now solved this issue for you.
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gingerpony
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 22/12/2009 : 23:43:18
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| again, i think this thread has run its course so i'm going to lock it now. |
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