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nikki77
Egg
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 06/07/2009 : 21:23:36
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Hi
I'm not sure how much more helpful that will be - sure someone else will help me out on this! The way I understand it is that they need to be able to regulate their temperatures in order for their metabolism etc to all work right, in which case the warm and cooler end are equally important. As they are quite secretive animals they like to do their thing in private, whether that be basking or cooling down, so for a totally happy and healthy snake both temperatures are important and in turn the ability for them to feel safe and secure being in either end is important - hence the need for two hides! I think chimp suggested this earlier but why not get him to read some care sheets, books etc all of which mention the need for 2 hides.
As a total animal fanatic I am just struggling to understand your husbands obstinance in regards to the hides, surely if there is any chance of this being a good thing for kellog he should just go along with it, I just dont get what possible reason he has to be so against the other hide, regardless of what he has been told, there is definatley no harm in 2 hides so what harm is it going to do to your husband?! |
0.2.0 Milly & Molly (tortie cats)
0.1.0 Visuki (Amel Corn) |
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cherry-milkshake
Hatchling
United Kingdom
261 Posts |
Posted - 06/07/2009 : 22:57:04
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Yup, nikki is spot on. Every care sheet/book you read will tell you that you need two hides for this reason! I've kept corns for five years, and I have qualifications in animal care so you can quote me to your stubborn hubby  . Your snake NEEDS two hides; he needs heat to digest his food, but he WILL NOT stay at the warm end of the terrarium if he doesn't feel secure, and to feel secure he needs a hide. So even if he does eat, he may not keep himself warm enough to digest. On the flip side, if you leave the hide at the hot end, he will stay there and become too warm. Having two hides is how he regulates his temp whilst fulfilling his primary need to feel safe and secure. Two hides = happy, healthy snake! |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 09:33:36
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| What about husband's arguement that Kellog has coped fine in the same viv with the one hide etc up until now so why the need to change?? |
  
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Chimp276
Yearling
United Kingdom
587 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 11:39:44
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How about this, get some newspaper scrunch it up a bit and put this in the cool or hot end, the snake will still use this a hide, and it costs you nothing!
And i can see where your husband is coming from, and I don't know why the snake has suddenly changed his mind about the whole thing lol, but I would guess due to being moved, but to do the best for your pet you need 2 hides to make him feel more secure!
As Cherry said they need the heat to help with digestion, but their need to hide is greater!
So hiding comes before food!!! |
0.1.0 Hypo Stripe - Aero
1.1.0 Leopard Geckos - Marley and Lemon
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cherry-milkshake
Hatchling
United Kingdom
261 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 17:23:10
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Originally posted by Kellog
What about husband's arguement that Kellog has coped fine in the same viv with the one hide etc up until now so why the need to change??
I would agree with chimp on this: his change in behaviour is probably due to the stress of moving and having new owners. Look at it from your snake's point of view: new surroundings, new handlers, lots of unfamiliar smells. He's probably like 'eek, where am I? Is there something out there that's gonna hurt me?? I'd better stay in my hide just to be on the safe side!' Hence why he won't want to go into the warm and eat - because he's scared. Do you think it would help to explain it like this to your hubby? Hope so :) And the newspaper is great idea as a compromise by the way, perhaps if this works and ur HB has proof he will relent and get a new hide |
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 18:10:27
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| your husbands 'reptile specialist' sounds like the only thing he specializes in is giving wrong information... |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 21:12:33
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Originally posted by Jono2411
your husbands 'reptile specialist' sounds like the only thing he specializes in is giving wrong information...
*clap clap!*
kick your husband and get your snake another hide! |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
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Chimp276
Yearling
United Kingdom
587 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 21:37:33
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Originally posted by Jono2411
your husbands 'reptile specialist' sounds like the only thing he specializes in is giving wrong information...
Aha that's what i was thinking! Surely he would be the one trying to sell them another hide lol, obv he is a bit dim aha! |
0.1.0 Hypo Stripe - Aero
1.1.0 Leopard Geckos - Marley and Lemon
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 07/07/2009 : 22:13:32
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| its a shame when people are getting wrong information about the husbandry of snakes... i'd suggest your OH checks this site out himself as the best people to ask are people who keep them... Let him read the care sheets etc and come on the forum and maybe he will begin to see sense... Can we have a picture of the current setup btw? |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 22:07:14
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Have spoken to reptile specialist myself today - and they are all keepers of snakes for many years as well as selling them and kenneling them if you want to go on holiday. They still feel it is unecessary to have hides at both ends as long as he can access both ends. Suggested something I hadnt thought of, that maybe when he last fed something traumatic happened or he struggled with it or something like that, which is why he is showing no interest in the same prey item. Suggested changing prey to chicks or baby rats.
Weighed Kellog today.
2nd July 2009 - 631g
9th July 2009 - 627g
very small weightloss in the week.
Will try and feed him again tomorrow. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 22:31:41
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Without meaning to sound rude- THEY ARE TALKING UTTER S**T! Reptile specialists who say your snake, who hasnt eaten for god knows how long, and only has one hide in the cold end and therefore cannot thermoregulate, doesnt need another hide, cannot be specialists.
Put yourself in your snakes scales- would you like to eat a mouse, then have it take ages to digest or even rot inside you, leaving you at risk of predators and disease, because you do not feel safe in the warm end of your home, or would you rather just not eat for a while until things improve and conditions are more favourable?
Again, I dont mean to sound rude, but pretty much everyone on here has given you the same piece of advice, and you are still just ignoring it...
Get another hide. |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Tizzy
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
1202 Posts |
Posted - 09/07/2009 : 23:10:25
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We're all telling you your so called reptile specialist doesn't know what he's talking about - if you'd rather believe him than the 20 people on here that have told you otherwise then what ever, but why dont you google 'corn snake care sheet' the rest of the internet will tell you the same thing.
Nice fancy hides can be pricey - it's highly likely the old owners just whipped out the second hide before you bought the set up and stuck it on e-bay Just pop a cardbored box or something in the warm end, it wont cost you anything to try so you have nothing to lose. |
3.2.0 corns 0.3.1 Leopard Geckos, 0.1.0 Mad Staffys 1.0.0 Moggie. 1.2.0. Devils in training.
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 01:40:48
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| the thing is, when breeders have loads of snakes they are usually kept in those opaque RUBs in which case the feeling of security isnt an issue because they are stacked up and in an area with little to no traffic, what we are dealing with here is the snake's feeling of security... They like to feel secure (i.e. have somewhere to hide) and often this will override their need to thermoregulate, that is to say that if you have a hide only at the warm end he will stay there even when he needs to be cooler and vice versa; therefore if you have a hide at both temps then he can feel secure and thermoregulate... and when it comes down to it how much hassle is it to put a small box in for him as a second hide? most people strive to provide their companion with the best setup they can so that the snake is comfortable and well cared for at all times... i really dont see why this has become such an issue... |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 08:39:24
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Please guys, I am not ignoring your advice - I do agree with it and want to add hide but must tread careully cos of my husband. Didnt get him from specialist we are talking to but from a previous owner.
Sort of puts of downer on my good news - KELLOG ATE HALF AN HOUR AGO! Immediately showed interest when I dangled mouse and within seconds struck. Amazing to watch.
I am sorry to have caused all this controversy, especially as I was hoping to make friends here as well as get advice, but things aren't as straightforward as they seem, even if I agree with you 100%. Hopefully now he has eaten he will continue to do so, then we can move him up a viv size and get another hide for him without causing World War 3 in my household. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 09:02:34
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| Very glad to hear Kellog has eaten, maybe now he will perk up a bit and eat every week! |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 09:09:47
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| Thanks SexyBear77. I am sorry if you think I am a bad owner by not following your advice but its not easy at home, I have to tread carefully. I do still respect all your advice and hope you dont mind me coming to you for more if I need it. |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 09:26:43
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Of course I dont think you're a bad owner, and no one else on here will think that either. Again, I'm REALLY sorry if I came across as rude, that wasnt my intention.  Feel free to come to any of us for advice, and you will always get it.
Sorry to hear about Hubby, but I bet your glad your snakey has eaten! |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 10:21:05
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| I'm glad to hear he has eaten... hopefully he can get into a bigger viv asap then f thats what its gonna take. I'm bored of this discussion now, everyone has said all they can lets just leave it now... |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 10:22:22
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Originally posted by Jono2411
I'm glad to hear he has eaten... hopefully he can get into a bigger viv asap then f thats what its gonna take. I'm bored of this discussion now, everyone has said all they can lets just leave it now...
thats a bit abrupt isnt it? |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
Location: Watford
Website- http://rassnakes.yolasite.com/ |
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Jono2411
Yearling
United Kingdom
639 Posts |
Posted - 10/07/2009 : 10:29:19
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| yeah, sorry, ill change it to "I'm leaving this discussion now" |
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