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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
 Posted - 24/08/2013 : 19:18:44
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I've got a clutch of hatchling cornsnakes that are very defensive and aggressive.
They were incubated in a home-made incubator and went through the heatwave we endured.
I found it very difficult to keep the temps stable and the temperature went high (up to 33 degrees) quite a lot.
When they hatched they were all 5gs and all very nippy.
All, but two, are feeding ok but I'm very concerned about their temperament.
I've tried very hard to 'tame' them down a bit but despite my efforts they still mean business and draw blood every time they bite.
I'm not new to snakes and have never had a clutch like this before.
The first clutch from the pairing were all very calm and gentle.
I've got a feeling the heat has had a negative effect on these poor little guys.
What's your opinion please?
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Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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ScaryVonHayleystine
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1773 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 19:42:42
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i wouldnt want to pin point a reason as there is no way of really knowing sadly. It could just be one of those things that you got a bad tempered lot.
Thats just my thoughts though. |
Albino Addiction ... <3
0.1.0 - Creamsicle Cornsnake (Mo)
1.0.0 - Bubblegum Snow Corn (Gabriel)
1.0.0 - Lavendar 100% Het Hypo Corn (Ezra)
1.0.0 - Bairds Rat Snake (Lazarus)
0.0.1 - Crested Gecko (Pan) |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 20:27:57
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| Ah, I really wish I could remember where I read this - but I remember reading about corn hatchlings, incubated at higher temperature ( 29-30 C ) being bitey and more prone to being aggressive . If incubated at lower temps, around 26 -27 C, they were fine. Interesting you should say that. It will bug me now,as to where I read it.... |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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SilverWings
Yearling
United Kingdom
740 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 21:18:52
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Originally posted by Razee
Ah, I really wish I could remember where I read this - but I remember reading about corn hatchlings, incubated at higher temperature ( 29-30 C ) being bitey and more prone to being aggressive .
That's quite interesting, mine were incubated at around that temperature, and most are as sweet as could be. No idea what's up with yours herriotfan, how old are they now? |
2.2.3 Corn snakes; Red, Rosie, Liana, Checkers, Luna, Diego, Snowman
1.0 Taiwanese Beauty Snake; Aleron
1.0 Green Anoles; Doug
1.0 Greyhound; Lee |
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 21:37:15
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quote:
Originally posted by Razee
Ah, I really wish I could remember where I read this - but I remember reading about corn hatchlings, incubated at higher temperature ( 29-30 C ) being bitey and more prone to being aggressive . If incubated at lower temps, around 26 -27 C, they were fine. Interesting you should say that. It will bug me now,as to where I read it....
U may have read that on one of my threads. I had a clutch that came out all female. I asked if it was because of the high temp fluctuations and I was told about the temperment changing. I cant figure out how I didnt get a single male but ive been told temps can play with tbe outcome |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 22:37:42
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quote:
Originally posted by Razee
Ah, I really wish I could remember where I read this - but I remember reading about corn hatchlings, incubated at higher temperature ( 29-30 C ) being bitey and more prone to being aggressive . If incubated at lower temps, around 26 -27 C, they were fine. Interesting you should say that. It will bug me now,as to where I read it....
I remember reading that too but like you, I don't have a clue where... |
2.4.0 Corn snakes
1.0.0 horse
0.1.0 Golden retriever
1.4.0 Guinea pigs |
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 24/08/2013 : 23:23:09
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oh poor you  a bunch of biters well,I still think that corns mellow as they mature-so Hopefully yours will get better in time? |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 08:40:26
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Originally posted by SilverWings
quote:
Originally posted by Razee
Ah, I really wish I could remember where I read this - but I remember reading about corn hatchlings, incubated at higher temperature ( 29-30 C ) being bitey and more prone to being aggressive .
That's quite interesting, mine were incubated at around that temperature, and most are as sweet as could be. No idea what's up with yours herriotfan, how old are they now?
They hatched at the beginning of the month.
I've had nippy hatchlings before but none like these. There is something about these ones. I just can't put my finger on it? |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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Midge
Hatchling
United Kingdom
203 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 09:27:56
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| mine are very nippy too, they're just going into first shed so hopefully should calm down after that ...hopefully!!! |
1.0 CB11 Carolina Corn Snake - Naboo
1.0 CB10 Butter Motley Corn Snake - Rudi
0.1 CB09 Amel het Caramel, Stripe - Zumba
1.0 CB12 Phantom - Bollo
0.1 CB12 Diffused Powder - Rosie
0.1 CB12 Hypo Lavender - Lily |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 10:12:13
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Originally posted by Midge
mine are very nippy too, they're just going into first shed so hopefully should calm down after that ...hopefully!!!
Mine have shed and are feeding ok. It's just the temperament. I've never known hatchies like it. I'm really worried about them. |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 11:03:33
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| One of mine is crazy too. #8 has such an attitude, he draws blood regularly and even attacks the tub if you try to open it. I think it's just a fear response and that he'll calm down eventually. I hope... |
2.4.0 Corn snakes
1.0.0 horse
0.1.0 Golden retriever
1.4.0 Guinea pigs |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 14:39:34
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It was definitely a book, or a reptile mag...I can't get to my books now, all packed as re doing the house. Shame, as it's still bugging me. Maybe your temps were just that one tiny bit too high. I think the article was saying about the high temperature, babies hatching sooner, but being aggressive and smaller. Lower temps produced bigger and calmer hatchlings. But can't remember much more... will try to look in the various boxes, if I can get to them, but can't guarantee I'll find it.
Maybe they'll grow out of it , gradually? |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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BoJangles
Egg
73 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 15:15:05
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| I have read that higher temp can effect hatchlings temperament in one of the books I have I think it's called corn and rat snakes. But I'm new to keeping corns and have no experience of breeding hope they calm down for you |
1.0.0 Butter Corn Snake Alaric
0.0.1 Amel Dexter
1.0.0 leopard gecko Rafiki |
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Razee
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2525 Posts |
Posted - 25/08/2013 : 17:28:45
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| It was Corn and Rat Snakes, a complete guide to Pantherophis, by Philip Purser, just found it ( and nearly got buried in plastic boxes :-) ) |
0.1.0 late CB10 Carolina corn snake - Bazilishka
1.0.0 CB11 Abbots Okeetee- Little Twiddler
1.0.0 CB11 Hypo corn- Sebastianek
1.0.0. CB14 Butter Motley - Squidwood
0.0.2 CB18 normal/ Okeetee yearlings Bunny and Lalalishka
0.0.1 hognose
0.1.0 stable cat
0.1.0 house cat |
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lupi lou
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3670 Posts |
Posted - 31/08/2013 : 22:14:46
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| Hope they do calm down for you, i have nothing constructive to add, may be they all have 666 hidden on their scales! The temp theory is an interesting one |
 
1.0.1 Corns
0.1.0 Dog: springer
1.0.0 Horse
0.4.0 Gerbils
2.2.0 Leopard gecko
0.2.0 Cave gecko |
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DeniseACH
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2013 : 16:37:11
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| Bit of a strange question but is the clutch either Snows or Amels?? |
17.15.13 Corn Snakes
1.0.0 Red Tail Boa
0.1.0 Common Boa
0.2.0 Lavender Kings
1.0.0 Brooksi King
2.1.0 Royal Python |
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herriotfan
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5853 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2013 : 18:58:55
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Originally posted by DeniseACH
Bit of a strange question but is the clutch either Snows or Amels??
Parents are Amel & Normal.
Hatchies are a mix of normal, amel, snow, anery.
This is the second clutch from one locking session.
First clutch were all calm.
I've tried everything with the little dears and nothing seems to settle them.
A couple of them have died during their second shed for no apparent reason so I'm wondering if there is an issue with them that I just can't explain? |
Husband....Very Understanding!!! (Phil)
Son & Daughter (Kevin & Carol)
Granddaughter (Eva)
3.4.0 Cornsnakes Amel (Sidney) Caramel Stripe (Sultan) Amber (Cleo) Carolina (Phoebe) Anery Motley Stripe (Penny) Snow (Lily) Caramel (Holmes)
1.2.0 Royal Pythons(Peeps, Pandora & Pepsi)
1.0.0 Hognose (Hudson)
2.1.0 Dogs (Dillon, Alfie, Ellie)
0.1.0 Senegal Parrot (Peanut)
1.1.0 Bearded Dragons (Bonnie & Clyde)
1.0.0 Crested Geckos (Echo)
0.2.1 Hermanns Tortoises (Ebbie, Rosie & Twiglet)
0.1.0 Guinea Pig (Dolly-Pipsqueak)
0.1.9 Tarantulas (Poppy, Gypsy, Bumble, Insey Winsey, Sonic, Cookie, Raven, Fudge, Titch & Sox)
??? Foster animals
Location: Near Saffron Walden, Essex
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DeniseACH
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
16 Posts |
Posted - 29/09/2013 : 19:30:33
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| This is my first year breeding but I found that the Amels and Snows were nippy sweeties compared to the others. I had a few die for no apparent reason too. Seem to be eating ok, pooing, shedding then check on them the next day and would be dead :( I've still got a snow motley who as soon as I open the tub he's straight into defensive post and starts striking at me lol |
17.15.13 Corn Snakes
1.0.0 Red Tail Boa
0.1.0 Common Boa
0.2.0 Lavender Kings
1.0.0 Brooksi King
2.1.0 Royal Python |
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These hatchlings are different...
