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divadexie
Snake Mite

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Posted - 15/08/2013 :  22:08:38  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hi is my new boy Sid a caramel/caramel motley?
There are sooo many morphs its a bit confusing he is my first corn.



mjpeters
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/08/2013 :  22:50:00  Show Profile  Click to see mjpeters's MSN Messenger address  Send mjpeters a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Hmm,doesn't look Motley to me-whats his tummy look like?
Very lovely little snakey chap though
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divadexie
Snake Mite

12 Posts

Posted - 15/08/2013 :  22:55:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry its a bad pic and scuse my eczema lol

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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/08/2013 :  22:57:42  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
As above, what does his belly look like? If there are checkers then he's not a motley.

I think Caramels and Normals look very similar as hatchlings and to be honest I find it very hard to tell the difference when they're young.

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ScaryVonHayleystine
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/08/2013 :  23:05:38  Show Profile  Visit ScaryVonHayleystine's Homepage  Click to see ScaryVonHayleystine's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
if there are split checkers is t not part masque gene?

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Coal
Hatchling

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Posted - 16/08/2013 :  09:19:29  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
If I had to guess I would say caramel, but as Moppet said, it's hard to tell when they're babbas; he could be normal

As for pattern, I would say not motley because he does have checkers on his belly, though those checkers don't really look entirely normal to me either - masque is possible?

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mjpeters
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
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Posted - 16/08/2013 :  22:32:04  Show Profile  Click to see mjpeters's MSN Messenger address  Send mjpeters a Yahoo! Message  Reply with Quote
Het Motley can also give weirdy tummy?
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/08/2013 :  15:12:20  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Looks caramel if the colours are accurate in the first pic as the spots look yellow rather than orange - definitely not motley though with those belly chequers. As above though, the chequers are split so is masque :)

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eeji
The Morph Master

United Kingdom
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Posted - 19/08/2013 :  18:36:02  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
masque is only masque if the grey head pattern is present too, not just the belly chequers. I can't tell the colours properly on my screen, but if the lighter colour is a definite yellow and not orange then caramel it is.
Can you post a pic of the top of the head please?


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Isoldael
Yearling

Netherlands
999 Posts

Posted - 20/08/2013 :  10:16:49  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Eeji - I heard masque can sometimes present itself without the head pattern (especially in one of the genders... forgot which one >.<). Do you know anything about that?

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eeji
The Morph Master

United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/08/2013 :  18:48:57  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
yes, its more noticeable in one sex (I *think* its females, don't quote me on that!)


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