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Coal
Hatchling
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 Posted - 08/08/2013 : 15:08:48
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Hi all, so it was mentioned to me a little while ago that my yearling amel corn might be a possible sunglow, so naturally off I toddled to do some research. I understand (please correct me if I'm wrong) that sunglow is a selectively-bred variation of amelanistic rather than an easily genetically-defined trait, and involves the removal of the white saddle-borders and the general brightening of the background colour of a regular amel.
This kinda' suggests to me that there must be a sort of sliding scale between ordinary amel and sunglow, so my question is, what's the cut-off? As in, at what point does it start counting as a sunglow? Does the snake have to have no white at all or are small flecks 'allowed'?
I'm just curious more than anything; I'd like to know Lovey's exact morphs for interests snake so being able to work out whether or not he counts as sunglow would be nice :)
In case anyone can just tell me straight off, here's a couple pics (I've put this up elsewhere but for the sake of convenience, I'll put them here too:)
Close-up:
Somewhat more zoomed out:
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'Lovecraft' - CB12 male amel
'Sarnath' - CB13 male KSB (anery, het. albino) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 16:03:05
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this corn is an amel, not a sunglow.
As for the defining line between sunglow and amel its subjective im afraid and each have their own levels. |
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 16:14:11
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| Looks like an amel to me, rather than sunglow. |
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Coal
Hatchling
449 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 16:16:19
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^^ Cools, thanks for the info both :)
Could I just ask how you can tell that he's an amel, not a sunglow (not that I don't believe you, I'm just genuinely interested)? I've been scouring Ian's viv and, being the newb that I am, can't really tell the difference between the two except that sunglows just look sorta' brighter :P
And gmac, I guessed it would be subjective, just wondered whether there was a sort of generally accepted cut-off |
'Lovecraft' - CB12 male amel
'Sarnath' - CB13 male KSB (anery, het. albino) |
Edited by - Coal on 08/08/2013 16:16:48 |
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ScaryVonHayleystine
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1773 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 17:26:43
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| I would have thought more amel to sun glow :) |
Albino Addiction ... <3
0.1.0 - Creamsicle Cornsnake (Mo)
1.0.0 - Bubblegum Snow Corn (Gabriel)
1.0.0 - Lavendar 100% Het Hypo Corn (Ezra)
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 17:59:14
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quote:
Originally posted by Coal
^^ Cools, thanks for the info both :)
Could I just ask how you can tell that he's an amel, not a sunglow
And gmac, I guessed it would be subjective, just wondered whether there was a sort of generally accepted cut-off
Too much white, doesn't seem it but too much for sunglow.
Cut off again is subjective dont think there is an actual cut off. |
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 18:46:16
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Still a completely GORGEOUS snakey-and I don't normally go much for the red/orange ones
Be nice to see how much brighter it gets,my Amel Fluffy is now a'WAKE UP'shade of orange/red!! |
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 08/08/2013 : 21:25:34
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As Gmac said. Too much white for a sunglow and there doesn't seem to be a set standard for them. They're just a selectively bred amel which has been bred to have less (preferably none) white and brighter colouring 
There's a lot of variety in the Amel corns, part of the reason I love them so much 
To give you an idea of a sunglow kind of colouring, many people would agree that my snake, Aurora is a sunglow (although she actually wasn't selectively bred to produce one which is why I tend to call her an Amel.)
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Edited by - Moppet on 08/08/2013 21:27:01 |
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 08/08/2013 : 23:22:58
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I think this is a Sunglow too?
Sides and underneath,
bit different as this is a motley,but you get the idea |
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Coal
Hatchling
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 08:52:45
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Ah, thanks for the lovely pics mj and Moppet, I can definitely see the difference now; there is next to no white at all on these snakes where as Lovey still has a fair bit in comparison :)
Thanks for helping out, and those two snakes are just beautiful :) |
'Lovecraft' - CB12 male amel
'Sarnath' - CB13 male KSB (anery, het. albino) |
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2013 : 09:03:12
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mj - your snake is beautiful but I think it becomes so much harder to determine whether a motley is a sunglow or an amel because the gene motley removes a lot of the white on its own
You're welcome Coal and thanks |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 09:52:15
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Moppet was spot on with that. Motley removes most of the saddle borders as part of the gene, so I guess you could say all/most amel motleys are sunglows, but that's being cheeky :P
As Gmac mentioned also, it's very difficult to determine what makes a selectively bred morph. I think you've hit the nail on the head with the "sliding scale" (no puns!) idea, because it's very much that. And you're 100% correct to say it's not a genetic trait in its own right.
If I had to put a penny on this sliding scale, with 1 being an Amel and 10 being the most awesome Sunglow I've ever seen, I'd go with about a 6 for your snake. There's definitely some of the elements which make a sunglow a sunglow - such as bright colouration and reduced white/yellow patterning, but I can still see some white, and for it to be a true sunglow, I'd say it needs to be 100% reduced.
Don't let it put you off though :) Selectively bred traits are really difficult to prove out, identify and breed out again. But at the end of the day- lovely little snake!! |
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0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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mjpeters
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1539 Posts |
Posted - 09/08/2013 : 10:43:09
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I'm right there with Oakly and SBB-so very much is open to interpretation with all selectively bred snakeys-and one of the reasons I love the 'pattern'morph's is the way they alter the amount of white/belly pattern 
Amels are growing on me-sneaking up like! they are all so different and your's is a real Firey little cracker-more pics please as he grows |
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Coal
Hatchling
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Posted - 09/08/2013 : 11:01:57
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Oakly - thanks for the information, these selectively bred morphs sound really interesting - if I ever do decide to start a little breeding project (no immediate plans as just don't have the space at the mo') I might consider going for them :)
mj - Funnily enough, I wasn't a big fan of amels at first either - I preferred the anerys, but when it came to actually getting a snake I fell in love with Lovecraft's personality; he's just so gentle and calm whereas the anery female that was my other option was more nervous and apparently prone to nipping. Now of course I think my boy's absolutely gorgeous, and the sunglow and motley above are really beautiful <3 And I will be happy to oblige with more pics as he grows; I'm curious to see how/if his colour changes as he gets older :) |
'Lovecraft' - CB12 male amel
'Sarnath' - CB13 male KSB (anery, het. albino) |
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