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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
 Posted - 20/02/2013 : 20:55:56
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Okay so I'm looking at a hatchling at the moment which I kind of like. I asked for pics of the parents which the seller emailed me over, however they're just head shots. I would put money on mum being a hypo but I have no clue about dad! His eye colour has really thrown me and I'm wondering if maybe a hybrid? They look olivey green and he looks rather anery-ish. Could this be an adult ultramel anery?
What do you think..
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R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:07:22
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| Hmm id say looks like a ghost to me |
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Figs
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3319 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:08:45
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I'd say maybe ghost - especially if he popped out a hypo baby  |
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:17:48
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I think you may be right. Got two new pics..
Dad again
Mum
Both taken under a more reddish light source
Asked for description of bellies to see if mum really is hypo, but the clutch have clear normals and then much much paler with no black on. |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
Edited by - NexivRed on 20/02/2013 21:19:41 |
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:43:55
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| Actually, expecting mum to not be hypo as there were aneries in the clutch. |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
Edited by - NexivRed on 20/02/2013 22:14:51 |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 21:47:46
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| Normal and ghost for me x |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 22:15:31
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| I think you may be right which makes mum het anery and hypo if they did indeed produce hypos. |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 22:45:50
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The plot thickens... can this be a normal with this belly? Or is it a hypo? And if it's a hypo and the dad is a ghost, how did they get normals and aneries?
Mum's belly
Dad's belly
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R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 23:03:50
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| if there were anerys in the clutch and mum and dad were het hypo then there woulda been ghost hathchlings in the clutch mum doesnt look hypo to me just a nice normal my male hypos ventral are totally lacking in black pigment |
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0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3315 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 23:13:58
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I'm gonna guess ghost and (very pretty) normal  Although in that last belly shot, the 'ghost' looks SO similar to my Apollo who is an anery (not in the first pics though, trick of the light perhaps?) |
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2331 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 23:17:47
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Some ventral shots of my lot Top left Diffused Top Right Motley Middle Hypo Bottom Normal hope that helps as you can see my hypo has literally no black on his belly
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6.8.0 Corn Snakes http://buzzsprehistoricpets.yolasite.com/
1.1.0 Royal
0.2.0 Chinchillas
1.1.0 Cats
1.1.0 Birds
0.0.2 Fishtanks
0.0.1 Cali Kingsnake
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 20/02/2013 : 23:30:23
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Okay so she's a normal then. Starting to make more sense, although he emails me back to talk about previous clutches from these two and how he normally has more colours. He's had amels and stripes! Now, I'm not 100% sure on this, but I thought if corns carried both motley and stripe then you'd never get visual stripes, is that right? And the most recent clutch has motleys in it.
So confusing, but at the same time sort of fun :) |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 19:10:16
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IF there were normals or anerys in the clutch i have a suspicion its all the other way around, and mum is hypo and dad is a pale anery.
It is impossible for this pair to produce motley AND stripe because they are normally patterned. This means each can only pass down motley OR stripe. Two motleys = motley, two stripes = stripe, one of each = motley. |
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 21/02/2013 : 20:11:48
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Thanks for the clarification, Eejit :) I reckon they've had maybe pinstripe motleys? They're both definitely het for motley as the motley babies of this clutch are plan as day. And it's an interesting point about the dad maybe just being Anery.
So they have:
Male Anery het amel, motley and hypo
Female Hypo het amel, anery motley |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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Isoldael
Yearling
Netherlands
999 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2013 : 11:06:09
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| Yes, or one of them could have been het stripe as the offspring could also look like motleys :) |
1.0 anery stripe (Nash)
1.0 hypo pewter (Loki)
1.0 bloodred het amel, charcoal, hypo, stripe 50% phet anery, lavender (Kasumi)
0.1 grey background normal het amel (Saphira)
0.1 tessera het amel, anery, stripe (Lilith)
0.1 amel (Aurora)
0.1 hypo bloodred het anery, charcoal, stripe 50% phet amel, lavender (Mara)
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 22/02/2013 : 12:07:16
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Corno is getting lighter and pinker all the time and is only 18 months, I could quite accept she may go as pale as him given a few more months as they look quite similar already. She is anery, and was quite dark as a hatchling but had a ghost father so maybe it's normal for an anery het hypo to be a little lighter? I did wonder at one point if she was a ghost, but she was so dark as a hatchy and has nice black belly markings, so surely she can't be? Lol!
Pics of corno for comparison:
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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What's this? (Bit of a challenge)
