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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  17:56:01  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
On one of my 'surf the internet for pretty corn snakes' sessions, I saw the term 'frosted' corn used but I don't think I've come across this before. What does it mean? Is it something to do with the paler 'frosting' on some of the saddles? Is it a hybrid thing? Just trying to learn more about it

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rubi
Hatchling

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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  20:17:52  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not heard of it myself is it on ian vivs? i tend to google image stuff to get idea although i know not reliable..got this http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=frosted corn snake&um=1&hl=en&sa=N&biw=1067&bih=455&tbm=isch&tbnid=MQ6Oiyofu9cvTM:&imgrefurl=http://www.reptileforums.co.uk/forums/snakes/659395-unusual-corn-snake-morph-could-5.html&docid=d7ZC1h9Mv76UkM&imgurl=http://redtailboa.net/pp/data/3420/medium/New_Corns_08_adults_025.jpg&w=640&h=480&ei=FI5PULvHF9Da0QXW1IDYAg&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=277&vpy=141&dur=2046&hovh=194&hovw=259&tx=114&ty=78&sig=113252794197719039142&page=1&tbnh=117&tbnw=163&start=0&ndsp=11&ved=1t:429,r:1,s:0,i:76

If that is a frosted i rather like it :)

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rubi
Hatchling

United Kingdom
374 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2012 :  20:19:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
another sight sayd its a cross between corn and grey rat snake..resulting in white scales between the sadles (again not sure on reliability of this)

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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
3315 Posts

Posted - 11/09/2012 :  21:57:15  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
It's not on ians viv which is why I suspected how valid it was...I've found lots of strange sites many of which say different things so I'm a bit stumped tbh. Just wondered if anyone had heard of it before or if it is a different name for something else?

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Thorne Walker
Yearling

Canada
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  22:11:34  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
eh.. this guy has a photo of a red snake with white saddles ID'd as frosted..

http://snakesnmoresnakes.blogspot.ca/2008/02/photo-of-frosted-corn-snake.html

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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 11/09/2012 :  22:14:30  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oooh, that snake is pretty. Picture is from SMR too so maybe it is legit.

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eeji
The Morph Master

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Posted - 12/09/2012 :  19:31:14  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
rubi got it right, its a corn x grey rat hybrid


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Moppet
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
3315 Posts

Posted - 12/09/2012 :  23:40:57  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Thanks eeji Very interesting. My anery has a few scales on his saddles which are paler than the saddles themselves. He was sold to me as a corn, not a hybrid. Is there any way I can tell for sure? I can try to get some pictures up if it helps. I thought he was just a corn with imperfect saddles but now I am not so sure.

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Isoldael
Yearling

Netherlands
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Posted - 13/09/2012 :  15:27:43  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I think having lighter scales along the center of the saddle is pretty normal ^^

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Razee
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/09/2012 :  17:15:10  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
There is a picture and an article in Bill and Kathy Love's book The Corn Snake Manual - I could re type what it says but it's long and I'd probably be breaking some copyrights laws... basically, it describes a snake with white speckling, where the colour on each scale is concentrated just to the middle of each scale, so overall it looks " frosted " . There were several strains involved, one of which was a cross with a grey rat snake. This line was then " retired " in favour of the other " pure " guttata strain.
Don't forget this is just one opinion from one book, and there's probably new and more up to date info elsewhere... just thought I'd put it here, in case you have the book.

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eeji
The Morph Master

United Kingdom
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Posted - 13/09/2012 :  19:12:27  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Moppet

Thanks eeji Very interesting. My anery has a few scales on his saddles which are paler than the saddles themselves. He was sold to me as a corn, not a hybrid. Is there any way I can tell for sure? I can try to get some pictures up if it helps. I thought he was just a corn with imperfect saddles but now I am not so sure.



unfortunately theres no way to tell unless you know the ancestry. The same effect can also be seen in pure corns so its not always a sign of a hybrid (and the other way too, not all corn x grey hybrids have frosting)


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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 17/09/2012 :  07:50:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Oooh frosted's sure are pretty!

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