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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
 Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:08:08
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Which would have better nutritional value two regular/medium mice weighing 20g each (total of 40g) or an ex breeder mouse 45g plus or a small weaner rat weighing 34g? The reason for your answer as well if you please  Can't work it out using nutrition charts so please don't point me in that direction. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:32:01
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| I don't think it's really worth taking it to this level of investigation... Just one prey item 1.5x max body width is absolutely fine. Snakes aren't going to really benefit/lose out from a couple of calories here and there. |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Auld Baldy
Ikea's Pimp
United Kingdom
1619 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:34:16
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I'd say the single breeder, then weaner then 2 medium.
Single large breeder has a higher mass to surface (skin & fur) ratio. Therefore less indigestible content.
I think the difference between weaner and 2 medium would be negligible by balancing nutritional value against double items. Again, indigestible content.
My logic on the topic anyway. |
1.0.0: Miami Normal: Taggart
0.0.1: Carolina Normal: Wee Woody
0.0.1: Grey Rat Snake: Mirkey
0.0.1: Amel Corn: Blaze
1.0.0: Carpet Python: Vambo
0.0.1: MBK: Fester
0.0.1: Florida King Snake : Rattler (Rattle & Hum)
0.0.1. California King Snake: El Diablo Diego
0.2.0 Tarantulas : Ermintrude & Euphemia. |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 16:54:24
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Originally posted by oakleyman18
I don't think it's really worth taking it to this level of investigation... Just one prey item 1.5x max body width is absolutely fine. Snakes aren't going to really benefit/lose out from a couple of calories here and there.
If I went by this I would be feeding large weaners. I'm just curious as to which would be of more value to the snake. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 17:55:51
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um.. you are talking about 2 vastly different things.. 40g of food vs 79g there will be more in the 79g feed because it's 2x the size of the 40g.
The breeder will be 'depleted' unless she was fed really well, the weaner will also be 'less' because it hasn't matured.
However, if a normal feed is 40g trying to feed 80g will make trouble..
The other thing with diet is that long term trends matter more then single instances.. A diet of spent breeders is something very different then feeding one that happens to be available at the time.. |
1.0.0 CB'11 Volcano Corn 'Kitty'
0.0.1 CB'11 Russian Rat Snake 'Monster'
2.0.0 CB'04 Roof Rabbits 'Baka Neko-San' and 'Usagi Neko-San'
My Setup :http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=27228
The Kids: http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=26248 |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 18:41:26
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Originally posted by Thorne Walker
um.. you are talking about 2 vastly different things.. 40g of food vs 79g there will be more in the 79g feed because it's 2x the size of the 40g.
The breeder will be 'depleted' unless she was fed really well, the weaner will also be 'less' because it hasn't matured.
However, if a normal feed is 40g trying to feed 80g will make trouble..
The other thing with diet is that long term trends matter more then single instances.. A diet of spent breeders is something very different then feeding one that happens to be available at the time..
Don't know where you got the 79g from. I'm wondering which is more nutritious between two 20 g mice being fed (2 x 20g totaling 40g), or a 45g plus ex breeder mouse or a 34g weaner rat.
And asking as a long term diet. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
Edited by - Red123 on 07/08/2012 18:42:40 |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
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Okeetee Mick
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2308 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:12:15
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| Don't think it really matters Red, sure they'll be happy either way. |
0.1.0 Okeetee (Sookie) 0.1.0 Powder (Luna) 0.1.0 Bloodred (Arlene) 0.1.0 Caramel Stripe (Tara)
0.1.0 Ghost (Crystal) 0.1.0 Caramel (Jessica) 0.1.0 Lavender Stripe (Portia) 1.0.0 Platinum (Godric)
0.1.0 Thayers King (Lettie Mae) 0.1.0 Albino Blairs King (Lorena) 0.1.0 Russian Ratsnakes (Pam)
0.1.0 Korean Ratsnake (Katerina) 1.0.0 Russian Ratsnake (Lafayette)
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 19:17:34
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Originally posted by Okeetee Mick
Don't think it really matters Red, sure they'll be happy either way.
I'm sure you are right. I'm just one of those people that just can't stop querying things once I've thought of something. I think I drive alot of people round the twist with my what ifs and hows  |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Thorne Walker
Yearling
Canada
642 Posts |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 20:24:04
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Originally posted by Thorne Walker
hey don't knock yourself down.. asking is the only way ppl learn
Yeah, but its probably of know real interest to most as to whether they are feeding the best nutritional meal or not, as long as the snake seems healthy and is eating. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Ell
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1640 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 21:13:23
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Variety is the spice of life as they say!
Personally I feel that feeding different sexes and ages of rodents most appropriate no matter the size of the snake. |
 
1.0.0 Normal corn snake - Dusk
0.1.0 Strawberry Snow Stripe corn snake - Dawn
0.1.0 Harlequin Crested Gecko - Stickles
1.0.0 Sable Syrian Hamster - CoCo
0.1.0 Hognose snake - Truffles |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 07/08/2012 : 21:21:18
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Originally posted by Ell
Variety is the spice of life as they say!
Personally I feel that feeding different sexes and ages of rodents most appropriate no matter the size of the snake.
Guess you have a point there. A snake would normally eat what ever it came across I guess no matter whether it was baby, adult, mouse or rat. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Better nutritional value
