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alexbruxa
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
22 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2012 :  22:21:12  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Originally posted by Spreebok

So sorry to hear about your loss. Sometimes, these things just happen, plenty of people have had seemingly healthy snakes that have just been found dead suddenly, sadly you were just unlucky enough ti witness it, which is never a nice thing.
Best thing to do is get the postmortem done, so you can have some closure at least. It could have been unavoidable for all you know, something wrong with the snake itself that was just waiting to go off.
Your friend gave you bad advice, and I question his care if he keeps different species together, but that's done now, you know not to pay attention to what he says from now on.

As has been said, don't panic about the gift snake. Like I said, it could have been something ticking away for all you know, and besides a few things to iron out, your care seems fine, and you genuinely care for your animals.

First off, get a thermostat and plug your mat into that. That will regulate your temperature for you, to ensure it stays constant and won't be too cold or over heat. You'll also need a digital thermometer, which you can get on ebay for about £2 - £3, and they work very well, but the temperature sensor has to remain on the mat, alongside the thermostat probe. I personally like to hotglue these in place. Some people pshaw and egt a bit up themselves when you mention thermostats, and I always find my respect drops for those people, especially if they're in a position where new keepers will come to them with questions and seeking advice. Such a simple but essential piece of kit, and these people are balancing on a knifes edge and it's their snakes lives on the line!

I've gone off topic, but I'm sure you get what I'm saying!
ALso, large/jumbo mice for adults corns are about the size you want to feed, my mind boggles as to how an adult could fit a large rat in, I fed a large adult I have a small rat once and he barely fit it in!


Sadly, my temp sensor was always up in the air. Big mistake? It was usually indicating 22 to 26 C. I assumed it must have been a bit hotter right on the mat, where my snake would usually rest. Should the temp be always the same? And if I hot glue it, wouldn't it affect my snake? As for feeding pattern, as soon as I got him I changed it, could that contribute to his death? I switched from a big rat once a month to a small mice every 7-10 days. Sorry for all these questions, I'm getting a bit crazy here.
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler

United Kingdom
6129 Posts

Posted - 12/06/2012 :  23:34:06  Show Profile  Click to see Sta~ple's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
We all get bad advise, with reptiles though it may not look like we are doing wrong when we are as there instinct is to never show any weakness or illness. It could have been anything that killed him, something unpreventable like a heart attack, you just cannot beat yourself up about it. Only think you can do is lots of reading before you get a new guy.

Temp sensor in the air is a no with a mat, it should touch the mat. Hot glue gun wont effect your snake if you let it dry first, I don't hot glue gun mine though but I think I should probably! Feeding pattern wouldn't have killed him.



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QueenVic
Yearling

United Kingdom
849 Posts

Posted - 13/06/2012 :  02:55:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
No changing his feeding pattern wont have affected it, but one big rat a month sounds odd for a corn snakes diet..

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Spreebok
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1135 Posts

Posted - 13/06/2012 :  12:33:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
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Sadly, my temp sensor was always up in the air. Big mistake? It was usually indicating 22 to 26 C. I assumed it must have been a bit hotter right on the mat, where my snake would usually rest. Should the temp be always the same? And if I hot glue it, wouldn't it affect my snake? As for feeding pattern, as soon as I got him I changed it, could that contribute to his death? I switched from a big rat once a month to a small mice every 7-10 days. Sorry for all these questions, I'm getting a bit crazy here.


Yeah, temp sensor in the air is not the right thing for mats, they absorb the heat through their bellies, but if it was too hot, he would have likely stayed away from it. The hot end temp should always stay constant, during day and night, you'll find it fluctuates a little bit, but so long as it stays within 27 - 30 degrees, preferably at about 28degrees it'll be good.
Hotglue won't affect them, it's just a bit of plastic :)
Changing the feeding pattern wouldn't have affect him, if anything, previously being fed on such large food may have actually caused a bit of damage. You did the right thing moving him to the correct size.
I found a good food chart here: http://iansvivarium.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=75
According to it, a large rat is equivalent to a 1/2 pound rabbit :O The biggest rat I'd feed an adult is a weaner rat, same as a x-large mouse. The large rat is the third in from the right.
Haha, sorry to go on about the large rat, I'm just boggling that your friend thought that would FIT, let alone work as a staple diet. I do think you were sold a corn that was, well, a bit damaged. I'm glad to hear you'll be accepting the new one though :)

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alexbruxa
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
22 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2012 :  10:56:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Sta~ple

We all get bad advise, with reptiles though it may not look like we are doing wrong when we are as there instinct is to never show any weakness or illness. It could have been anything that killed him, something unpreventable like a heart attack, you just cannot beat yourself up about it. Only think you can do is lots of reading before you get a new guy.

Temp sensor in the air is a no with a mat, it should touch the mat. Hot glue gun wont effect your snake if you let it dry first, I don't hot glue gun mine though but I think I should probably! Feeding pattern wouldn't have killed him.



Thanks. I spoke to several vets and they all seem to think that my snake most likely caught something from the boas and/or python he was kept with previously. The other snakes were prob immune to the illness and my corn was not. :(
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alexbruxa
Snake Mite

United Kingdom
22 Posts

Posted - 14/06/2012 :  11:04:27  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Spreebok

quote:
Sadly, my temp sensor was always up in the air. Big mistake? It was usually indicating 22 to 26 C. I assumed it must have been a bit hotter right on the mat, where my snake would usually rest. Should the temp be always the same? And if I hot glue it, wouldn't it affect my snake? As for feeding pattern, as soon as I got him I changed it, could that contribute to his death? I switched from a big rat once a month to a small mice every 7-10 days. Sorry for all these questions, I'm getting a bit crazy here.


Yeah, temp sensor in the air is not the right thing for mats, they absorb the heat through their bellies, but if it was too hot, he would have likely stayed away from it. The hot end temp should always stay constant, during day and night, you'll find it fluctuates a little bit, but so long as it stays within 27 - 30 degrees, preferably at about 28degrees it'll be good.
Hotglue won't affect them, it's just a bit of plastic :)
Changing the feeding pattern wouldn't have affect him, if anything, previously being fed on such large food may have actually caused a bit of damage. You did the right thing moving him to the correct size.
I found a good food chart here: http://iansvivarium.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=75
According to it, a large rat is equivalent to a 1/2 pound rabbit :O The biggest rat I'd feed an adult is a weaner rat, same as a x-large mouse. The large rat is the third in from the right.
Haha, sorry to go on about the large rat, I'm just boggling that your friend thought that would FIT, let alone work as a staple diet. I do think you were sold a corn that was, well, a bit damaged. I'm glad to hear you'll be accepting the new one though :)




Yeah, you're probably right. I'm a bit angry with my mate, but no matter what I do, it won't bring back my snake. So I will just have to seek advice elsewhere when I will get a new little guy. After speaking to some vets, I now know that it couldn't have been undigested meal as he defecated some time before he died. The poo was like any other before. Thanks for all your support.
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Isoldael
Yearling

Netherlands
999 Posts

Posted - 17/06/2012 :  22:43:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'm so sorry for your loss. I had the same with one of my very first 2 hatchies, although I wasn't there to see him die. One day, he was absolutely fine, eating well, not regurgitating anything, the next I came home from university and he was dead in his viv. I wanted to get a post mortem done, but being a student I simply couldn't miss the €200,- it would have costed me.

I know how you feel... I kept wondering what I had done wrong as well. From what I can read here there's nothing drastic that you've done wrong. I can only recommend thorougly desinfecting the viv (just in case it's something that can survive "outside") and getting that new snake your mate bought. It won't replace your old snake, but at least it will add a new bit of light :)

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BOWZER43
Egg

USA
63 Posts

Posted - 22/06/2012 :  20:32:54  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Hey, I am soo sorry. I had a panther gecko a while ago and i had it for about a week. then it started having these seizure things. its jaw would lock up and stay open and his legs would like sstick straight out. i would just pick him up and hold him and eventually he stopped breathing and he died. i took him back to where i got him and i just left his cage alone for a couple months and i started to notice some little sand piles getting built on this log i had in there. so i was thinking that some parasite that was living in the log had gotten into ny lizard and thats what killed him. but i tossed all the stuff in the viv and deep cleaned it and my corn is doing fine in the viv. Idk if this is the same thing that happend but im sorry

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Tasha89
Hatchling

United Kingdom
257 Posts

Posted - 27/06/2012 :  17:09:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry if this has already been posted as i was only scan reading through the replies, but to me it sounds like he may have had a respitory infection from low temps if he was slithering around with his mouyth open, rolling around, finfing it hard to breathe and also foam coming from the nostrils: http://www.anapsid.org/rti.html

Either way you did the best you can from what you were told and trying your best to get him better.

So sorry for your loss, please dont blame yourself.

Tasha
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