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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
 Posted - 11/11/2011 : 16:40:16
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I hate the way its one rule for animals another for human, let an animal suffer in a way you wouldn't expect a human to.
I've taken on board what you have said, and what the vet has said. If posable i'm going to avoid having the Baytril injections again, but at the same time i'm going to continue to use this vet for now as even if he doesn't know the risks of this particular drug he is far more educated then i am in these matters and much more so then some of the other "specialists" i've seen. The other local reptile "specialist" in my aria took Cherry out her box and said "Oh, he a pretty colour. What is he?" ..... if you can't recognise a common corn snake you defiantly not a reptile specialist, If this forum agreed with naming and shaming then that guy would be on my list.
If my current vet is unable to give Marbosyl or another reptile specific drug (dunno if there are any or what they are) then i will head back to Tarporly as they have my full trust when it comes to snakes. Its just a very hard place to get to when you can't drive.
I've decided to do this not just as you have given a full and detailed explanation, which has convinced me that you do know your facts, but also cuz you've scarred me ****less that i'm gonna go into cherrys tank and find a mess of blood and flesh. I have never taken advice over the internet of this sort, having always chosen to follow those in a medical profession with the grades and certificates to back it up. so i am still in doubt of my own decision, but the internet in general does nothing but teach people to be doubtful of each other. If it wasn't for the rude and insolent people who believe there way is the only way, i'm sure things would be different, but its so hard to work out those who are telling the truth from those who want to look and act smart. |
0.1.0 Cherry - 09 Normal
1.0.0 Tequila - 09 Caramel Motley |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 17:22:55
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Now you mention it......my way is right!!! ha ha! I jest.
I know what you mean, i find it very frustrating when people who clearly know nothing about what they are talking about, go on and try and sound clever and get people to do the wrong thing, there are a few on here like that, no names of course, but am sure you can work it out.
Dont get me wrong, i am not always right, far from it, but if i dont know for sure, i tend not to post, as its a waste of both of our times, stuff like this though, i know a fair bit about. I have been involved with snakes on and off for about 24 years now, i have spoken to a lot of people, vets included about stuff, and through Kate (partner), i have access to huge amounts of resources and info, so stuff i dont know, she can find out.
I do google a lot of stuff, mainly to make sure i am right before i waffle on for hours about it, but i only ever look for fact sheets either from the company making the drug, or a company that has tested it, if you look for the right things, they are there.
The problem is, people assume that an antibiotic is an antibiotic, which is not always the case, marbocyl and Baytril are very very similar, but they work slightly differently and their supporting agents are different too, part of the problem with baytril is that the solution for injection is quite alkaline, which is where i would think the necrosis comes from, and reptile body tissue is much more delicate than mammalian tissue.
As for different ones, they are the 2 main ones, so i wouldnt bother looking at others, everyone i read about or speak to uses marbocyl, which i also use, so if i was you i would go for that.
To give you an idea, you couldnt pay me to use injectable baytril on any of my snakes, whereas i have spent a fortune in the last few years on marbocyl, we even give it to the rabbits!!
I am not someone who is gonna force you to do things my way, they are purely my experiences which i can use to help someone who is in a similar situation to what i may have been in, if i didnt comment here, and you came back and said the snakes skin has sloughed, i would feel bad because i knew it could happen and didnt say anything!!
I am a horrendous passenger seat driver, i would rather say something and it not be needed, than not say something and it be needed!!
I know on occasions i come across as being rude, whether you meant me or not, but its rarely the case, its usually taken the wrong way by someone who knows they have done something stupid!! I say things how they are!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Okeetee Mick
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2308 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 20:11:43
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| Well I for one have enjoyed this thread and learned a lot, thank you. |
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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 21:16:29
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Don't worry i don't mean you when i talk about people being rude :P. I use forums enough to know that on 90% of them your just a target no matter what you say and do. when i first looked into getting a snake and soon after i got her i was exploring 3 different snake forums. I was amazed and simply how nice the people on this one are, i don't think i've ever used such a friendly forum, there are spats here and there but nothing on the scale of trolling and abuse you get on others. So i now only use this one.
I am relatively new to keeping snakes, and the experience with cherry has given me an even steeper learning curve then i would have normally had. Thankfully Tequila has never had a single problem so i know its not all snakes, just that i was a little unlucky with my choice when picking a first snake (not that i would change her), haha. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2011 : 22:44:33
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yeah there are a few forums which have more than their fair share of trolls!!
Have a look through some of my older posts, especially the one where someone ( i cant believe i forgot the numpties name!!) tried to tell me that cornsnakes only came from death valley, ah, limpy, ilovemypets88, he was quoting stuff direct from Wiki, just cutting and pasting, not even rewriting it!! I had a bit of fun with him!
Its quite rare to have a cornsnake that is constantly requiring vet treatment, or any snake for that matter, and most stuff is down to poor husbandry.
I quite like knowing as much as possible about illnesses, diseases etc, i find it fascinating!! It also helps with situations like this! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2011 : 09:55:38
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You've missed out loads of names there Mike lol!
I do really hope Cherry gets better though for you, a lot of people seem to have the attitude of "it's only a snake, I can get a new one if it dies cheaper than going to the vets" :( Cherry has been lucky to get an owner as caring as you. |
   
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2011 : 02:52:19
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Originally posted by mikerichards
yeah there are a few forums which have more than their fair share of trolls!!
Have a look through some of my older posts, especially the one where someone ( i cant believe i forgot the numpties name!!) tried to tell me that cornsnakes only came from death valley, ah, limpy, ilovemypets88, he was quoting stuff direct from Wiki, just cutting and pasting, not even rewriting it!! I had a bit of fun with him!
Its quite rare to have a cornsnake that is constantly requiring vet treatment, or any snake for that matter, and most stuff is down to poor husbandry.
I quite like knowing as much as possible about illnesses, diseases etc, i find it fascinating!! It also helps with situations like this!
i used to use some arty forums full of idiots. Used to love running rings around people talking rubbish, i have to admit i only really go there now to laugh at the trash people are telling each other. So i guess places like that have there place, humour.
Sadly that i know, when i first got cherry i did intend to breed from her. Very quickly decided against that idea, she is just a pet now. I have a feeling her husbandry is terrible, but i'm quite happy to have her as a pet and look after her as best i can.
I'm trying to learn as best i can, and although i'm not stupid, there is a lot of information out there. I love to read about it all, but remembering it is another matter. I find the anatomy side of things much more interesting, and in fact easier to understand. |
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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2011 : 02:56:58
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
You've missed out loads of names there Mike lol!
I do really hope Cherry gets better though for you, a lot of people seem to have the attitude of "it's only a snake, I can get a new one if it dies cheaper than going to the vets" :( Cherry has been lucky to get an owner as caring as you.
I hate it when people view snakes like that. My OH had a friend stay recently who said pretty much exact that. "How much did it cost? Just get a new one". Just because i don't want something small and furry as a pet doesn't mean i care any less about her. I asked him what he would do if his cat was ill but apparently "thats different".
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2011 : 09:26:30
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
You've missed out loads of names there Mike lol!
I do really hope Cherry gets better though for you, a lot of people seem to have the attitude of "it's only a snake, I can get a new one if it dies cheaper than going to the vets" :( Cherry has been lucky to get an owner as caring as you.
I hate it when people view snakes like that. My OH had a friend stay recently who said pretty much exact that. "How much did it cost? Just get a new one". Just because i don't want something small and furry as a pet doesn't mean i care any less about her. I asked him what he would do if his cat was ill but apparently "thats different".
Yeah that is annoying :( Specially since snakes can live longer than cats and dogs, and you can get kittens and cats for free very easily lol. |
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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Daniel_G
Egg
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 11:17:33
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I think that a snake is much easier to get attached to than a cat or dog.
They're cleaner, smarter (Well, smarter than my dog and cats) and much cooler. Plus, the hatchies are so much more "affectionate" towards people, happily curling up in a pocket (Talking from previous experience)
Some people simply can't grasp that, just thinking 'if it isn't fluffy, it isn't cute'
And, as staple said, they live longer. Worth much more than a cat or dog. |
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Dan
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 15/11/2011 : 13:02:48
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| What have you been smoking whilst handling hatchies, or what have you been letting the hatchie smoke? lol |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2011 : 17:43:02
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Sorry, snakes are not more intelligent than cats or dogs, no matter how stupid the cat or dog is, they simply do not have the brain capacity to be so.
Talking from a lot of experience, creating a bond with a snake is one sided, snakes may recognise you, but thats about as far as it goes.
People dont bother with the 'replace' attitude with us, its pointless, over the last few years our vets bill has exceeded 3k for all our animals!!!!
Thante, you said in your post that Cherry's husbandry is terrible. Am pretty sure you either miss understand the word, or have just miss used it!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2011 : 20:01:55
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| I thought husbandry refereed to breeding and raising animals. I'm pretty sure that cherry is the result of bad breeding, perhaps being the product of inbreeding or just a mix of bad genes. Which is why i don't want to breed from her, even if it is just an anomaly and her parents where fine i'm not willing to risk it. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2011 : 13:31:02
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nope, husbandry is the general care of the animal!! something i feel you have nothing to worry about!
There are lots of different reasons why a snake, or any animal has problems during its life, whilst i wont rule out bad genetics, its highly unlikely. Most of the time genetic anomalies would consist of Stargazing, kinks in the spine, missing eyes or blindness, missing stomachs.
usually excessive in breeding results in too much of something, or not enough of something.
I very highly doubt that this is caused by inbreeding, i think its more a case of a simple complication, and i doubt you would have any problems from her if you did breed. I wont say do breed her, because personally i wouldnt, however, the chances are it would be fine, but its best not to take the chance.
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Thante
Hatchling
United Kingdom
301 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2011 : 16:37:43
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I really did think the term husbandry referred to breading as well. :s I studied environmental science and we used the term a lot when talking about selective breading and livestock.
Don't worry she's a pet, its tequila i'm hoping to get butters from, all thats wrong with him is he is terrified of his own shadow.
As for how cherry is doing now, the lump has all but gone and she is back on large mice :D will be at the vet again tomorrow, but i think it will be her last visit. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 16/11/2011 : 16:44:00
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| just looked it up, technically husbandry is care and cultivation, so we were both right!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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awlred
Hatchling
United Kingdom
118 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 09:46:26
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| Glad to hear Cherry is on the mend, hope all is well at the vets |
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Cherry is ill .... again
