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LarkaDawg
Hatchling
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 Posted - 02/08/2011 : 17:30:16
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Hi. If I were to hibernate my snakes over winter for breeding purposes, could I use this product and set the temperature to 45-65 degrees Fahrenheit if I kept a water dish in the box and filled it regularly?
Product: http://www.bluelizardreptiles.co.uk/miscellaneous/incubators/015561224994
If not, it's not a problem. It might just make things easier.
If so, I might decide not to.. because I'm indecisive like that lol |
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LarkaDawg
Hatchling
442 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 20:07:27
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 20:31:03
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| Nope thats an incubator, you just turn the heating down, but in all honesty corns dont really need to be brumated. |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/08/2011 : 20:34:53
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45-65 F sounds like a massive difference in temps. Unfortunately I have no idea what that is in Celcius, but you'd need to be around 15 celcius for brumation.
If that drops to 15c and hold stable then it should be ok. Although I have no experience of brumation, so you may want a second opinion on that from someone who has done it before.
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ALso how big/small is it? It's a fair amount of dosh to spend on something that looks tiny (or the beardie on the box is MASSIVE).
I believe there are a few on here who have brumated without cooling systems. |
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LarkaDawg
Hatchling
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 22:14:08
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Well, it definately drops to 15 and holds stable (cooling and heating, and built-in thermostat to control temps). And lol the beardie on the box is rather blown up me thinks, I know that you can fit a snake inside (or two). I'm going to get it (need it as an incubator anyway) and go from there.
edit: Also, I can get it about fifty pounds cheaper on another site, so I'm rather pleased ^_^ |
Edited by - LarkaDawg on 04/08/2011 22:15:11 |
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LarkaDawg
Hatchling
442 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 22:16:41
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| Also, I've read that brumation improves fertility (aparently proved lol), and anyway, I just want to try it all out for future breeding (this is my first time). |
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JackHutchy979
Hatchling
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Posted - 04/08/2011 : 23:33:38
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| I cant help with the brumation although I know it's not completely necessary. He incubator should do fine look up videos on YouTube to see the size for yourself coincendently I was looking at incubators for breeding also and stumbled across it. I won't be breeding 70% till th following year. 2013 with school and what not. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 04/08/2011 : 23:56:12
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its a completely pointless excercise, just turn the stat down on the viv, thats all you need to do.
If there was a need or a market for the sort of thing you are on about, then there would be, and it wouldnt be called an incubator!! |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 07:51:37
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| might need to turn off the central heating in the room the snake's are in..........unless you have a cold house |
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awlred
Hatchling
United Kingdom
118 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 08:23:48
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Not wanting to hijack the thread but GP you raise an issue that's on my mind.
Our house isn't particularly warm and gets down to about 10C in the winter, would I be best off to brumate my snake during the winter or just allow a fairly cold cool end and keep the warm end up? |
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LarkaDawg
Hatchling
442 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 12:31:38
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| Thanks for all the replies. Yeah its called an incubator, but it does say that its ideal for hibernation (or brumation) and thats what made me think. My house stays really warm in winter and my parents keep the heating on, I don't think I'd be able to persuade them to turn it off for the snakes. So I either don't brumate them, or brumate with some kind of cooling device. And I'd actully like to try brumating them, at least just for future refference! :P |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 14:22:20
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Originally posted by awlred
Not wanting to hijack the thread but GP you raise an issue that's on my mind.
Our house isn't particularly warm and gets down to about 10C in the winter, would I be best off to brumate my snake during the winter or just allow a fairly cold cool end and keep the warm end up?
i'd personally just leave things as they are, if the house is cool or cold there'll be a greater difference between the warm end and cool end temps but that's no biggie  |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
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Figs
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/08/2011 : 16:03:13
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
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ALso how big/small is it? It's a fair amount of dosh to spend on something that looks tiny (or the beardie on the box is MASSIVE).
I believe there are a few on here who have brumated without cooling systems.
Internal dimensions are 10.5 x 8.5 x 14.5"
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 16:36:11
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chrisc
Hatchling
United Kingdom
357 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 17:31:31
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| ok im slightly confused. do females need to brumate before breeding or is it down to choice? |
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awlred
Hatchling
United Kingdom
118 Posts |
Posted - 05/08/2011 : 19:09:43
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Though I'm certainly no expert, based on what I've read some find it nessessary or helpful to brumate prior to breeding, but some find it easy enough to do without.
In nature, most areas where Corns are found in the wild don't stay warm enough and so brumation happens, followed by breeding in the late spring. It seems reasonable to me that coming out of brumation would trigger the breeding response. That said most corns are generations away from being wild and so the response may be breeding out ergo some don't have a need to brumate whilst others still have the genetic trigger.
The previous paragraph is entirely postulation and theory, it may make very little sense and I could be talking out of my bum. |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 06:34:08
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Just turn the heating off in the one room, if its your room and you want to brumate them, then you will just have to deal with the low temps, only needs to be down to about 15 degrees, which is warmer than it will be outside!!
Despite being a few generations from wild, insticts dont go away, takes many many years for that to happen! Look at cats for example, being bred socially for decades, yet still have the natural predator insticts from the wild.
That said, corns do not need to be brumated, many people have great clutches from snakes that havent been done, so if its not viable its not the end of the world. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/08/2011 : 12:25:29
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| i brumate purely as it's easier for me, in the winter i have other commitments which take up more of my time at that specifically time of year, so have less to do with the snakes is ideal |
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