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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
 Posted - 03/06/2012 : 00:26:51
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| no its not through inbreeding |
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serena_08
Yearling
United Kingdom
784 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 14:13:03
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So the SGs live a perfectly normal life?
I'm not sure if it's the look of helplessness or what but they are so cute! I'd love to own one, but the controversy around it means I obviously couldn't! |
1.0.0 Corn: D-Bo (Amel)
1.0.0 Western Hognose: C*ntyB*ll*cks
0.1.0 MBK: Rosa
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko: Zuko
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Kobe
0.0.1 Fire Bellied Toad: Snoop
1.1.0 Cats: Penny and Sheldon
1.0.0 Staffy: MooMoo
I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 14:24:39
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| This is just like deafness in dalmations, they are trying to breed it out :) sadley the process can sometimes seem cruel but its needed to create a SG free species x |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 15:29:29
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Originally posted by serena_08
So the SGs live a perfectly normal life?
I'm not sure if it's the look of helplessness or what but they are so cute! I'd love to own one, but the controversy around it means I obviously couldn't!
Yes they live a normal life, they need to be kept at the lower end of the temp scale so they dont waste too much energy and use up all the food energy so quicky.
They are not cute and no you wouldnt want to own one, it is the most distressing thing I have ever seen, this is why its such a big deal to get rid of this gene.
Would you really want a snake that corkscrews and literally has no control of itself every time you go near it, they never slow down and they never grow out of it. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 15:35:35
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Its a shame there is no other way of testing for it :(
When we used to breed rabbits, we were part of a council and could only call them pedigrees if they had breeding history and then we rung them with an I'd code. Could there not be a way of setting up and number system with a certificate maybe proving that the corn is SG free? I know it would be hard, but it would be a starting point :) |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 15:45:16
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nope as we dont know what ones are SG free, very few have been tested in Europe and in the UK, the SG issue is only going to get worse over the next few year though.
I do know a few folks that have SG free corns prevously tested, that is Scotsman, who wrote this thread, Special Corns (Johan van der Dussen / Neils) in Germaan and Holland respectively, also Adam Clark (Procorns) and myself if the UK all have tested animals. gazer free. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 15:55:38
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its a start :)
thats what i mean, start now with the sg free ones you know of :) |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:43:22
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Originally posted by Georgina
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Originally posted by AcidicAngel
I have another photo of a Stargazer Corn but it isn't my corn... Am I aloud to post it just to show what it can do as I completely disagree with it...
what do you mean disagree with it?
breeding and selling?
Yes. I find it horrible that this neurological mutation in corns is bred and sold.
There's a video on youtube of one being fed a live mouse which it takes forever to find and then it doesn't even constrict it, just bites the head and starts eating. |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:47:20
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it is normal in america to feed live, it was probs a vid from the states
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1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 17:59:54
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsF61PFeNJM
This is the video just to show how bad stargazers are affected...
@Georgina - I know I was just saying that I don't get why people find these fascinating... I know you own one and I'm not saying that you shouldn't as it's your choice but if someone offered me one for free I'd still say no... |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:02:06
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| i do not own a sg, i am no where near experienced enought to own one. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:02:43
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| Oh, I thought you owned one? Or was that someone else? |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:09:29
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Georgina doesnt own a gazer, i do. but not through choice it is to test my sunkissed line corns to see if they are gazer free or carrying the gene.
as does every other breeder that is testing for stargazer in their collections |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:11:24
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| am i right in think gmac that it was first found in sunkissed? and then when people started breeding them is crossed over in to other morphs x |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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AcidicAngel
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1212 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:13:13
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| Ah, I must have got mixed up. Sorry about that :) |
Corn Snakes.
1.0 Butter - Cereus.
1.0 Caramel Stripe het Amel - Vladimir.
0.1 Normal het Amel, Caramel, Hypo - Amara.
0.1 Masque het Amel, Anery, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, Lavender, Stripe - Aurelia.
1.0 Masque Anery het Amel, Charcoal, Diffused, Hypo, lavender, Stripe - Orion.
Leopard Gecko's.
Too many to list!!
Rat Snake.
1.0 Yellow Rat Snake - Leviathan(Levi)
Western Hognoses
1.0 Normal 50% poss het Frosted(Dutch Hypo, Caramel) - Thorne.
0.1 Frosted - Rose.
1.0 Anaconda het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Titan.
0.1 Normal het Snow(Amel, Anery) - Nyx.
R.I.P Pandora & Sakana, entwined in my heart forever my darlings. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:17:16
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| it was first found in Kathy loves okeettee sunkissed lines and then yes bred into about everythng else, not by Kathy Love I add |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:18:26
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| is kathy love also working to reduce the gazers out there? x |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 18:19:51
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| yes |
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Stargazer and the future problems.
