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chrish
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 31/10/2010 : 22:15:00
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Ok im with you, cheers for the clarifiction.
So assuming they only tested boas who had died exhibiting certain symptoms then it may not be a widespread problem. Although if they can harbour the disease for years then a single shipment containing infected boas who are then used for breeding could rapidly cause a pandemic? (again im just speculating) |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 22:42:25
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Originally posted by chrish
Ok im with you, cheers for the clarifiction.
So assuming they only tested boas who had died exhibiting certain symptoms then it may not be a widespread problem. Although if they can harbour the disease for years then a single shipment containing infected boas who are then used for breeding could rapidly cause a pandemic? (again im just speculating)
in theory yes, if they only tested animals that had specific symptoms then it could be 50% of them have ibd, there are other diseases and conditions that have similar symptoms.
Not all the animals can harbour the disease, for the majority they cannot be asymptomatic, they will have symptoms resulting in death 100% of the time. if an asymptomatic boa is used for breeding then yes, it would infect the partner, if it was male, it would essentially kill the female before she could have babies, if it was female, then potentially the babies could have IBD, some may be asymptomatic.
I dont think there would be a pandemic purely because it shows symptoms very early on, and as long as the person is aware of them, and follows very strict quarantine procedures, it shouldnt spread.
If course, shouldnt and wont are 2 very different things. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 31/10/2010 : 23:59:44
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Originally posted by mikerichards
have you had ANY symptoms since you have had the snake, sadly, if it does have it, its highly likely that the rest have it too, and i don think its solely limited to boas and royals, there was one suggestion that it has been seen in Corn eggs, which is bad, very bad.
I'm awful and googled this as it had me quite worried. Beside it showing up the eggs, there have also been cases of cali kings while being house with other snakes apparently having it :( and other kings showing similar symptoms to it (apparently they were housed with boa's and vipers??? I didn't even know that would work out? unless they didn't mean in the same viv but *_*) Very worrying as I always thought it was something that boa's and pythons had and that was it limited.
I also thought that some umbilical corn markings were normal? Kinda like a belly button for snakes?
I hope all goes well for you, I really do :( I don't even know what else to say. I imagine there are many other snake problems that can resemble IBD to a worried person. Does the person who if there snake has IBD and actually got it tested? I'm sorry if it's in the topic somewhere. |
   
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 00:08:49
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Stapey, its worse than that, anything can technically get it, including you or I.
You cannot test specifically for ibd unless the animal is dead, the test that can be done whilst alive is not conclusive to only ibd. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 00:15:22
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| I will get a pic of the baby royal up tomorrow she has a lump there as well that's why we thing there is internal damage but really hope not obviously....my head is going a million miles an hour at the moment...No mike no signs of it at all but what i have heard and seen is it can just come on one minute the snake is fine next its stargazing and on its back and cant turn its self back over it loses all self control but thanks for the links mike its much appreciated with all the reading I've done on it I'm nearly an expert on the subject my brain hurts so bad with it i was up till 4am reading about it and watching videos on u tube to see what to look out for and it was heartbreaking to say the least....just wish me luck guys and keep your fingers crossed for all my babies. |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 09:08:55
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Originally posted by princessbroxy
I will get a pic of the baby royal up tomorrow she has a lump there as well that's why we thing there is internal damage but really hope not obviously....my head is going a million miles an hour at the moment...No mike no signs of it at all but what i have heard and seen is it can just come on one minute the snake is fine next its stargazing and on its back and cant turn its self back over it loses all self control but thanks for the links mike its much appreciated with all the reading I've done on it I'm nearly an expert on the subject my brain hurts so bad with it i was up till 4am reading about it and watching videos on u tube to see what to look out for and it was heartbreaking to say the least....just wish me luck guys and keep your fingers crossed for all my babies.
I have to say, if you have no symptoms then its highly likely that they dont have it, at least not symptomatically anyway, it could still be asymptomatic (carrier only). IBD in royals manifests very quickly.
Its not a royal desease, so far its only be proven to come from Boids, hence the full name Boid Inclusion Body Disease.
If you want a test done, ask a vet to take some blood and send it to Kate at the lab, it prob wont be a cheap test, but at least you will know if its likely to have it or not. The blood test is not conculsive, but it will certainly give you an idea.
I think if after 2 weeks the snake is showing no symptoms, then you are ok, if one had it, they would all have it, and atleast one would be symptomatic by now, i would also suspect it would be either very advanced, or even dead by now. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 01/11/2010 : 14:33:56
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| thanks mike i will ask my vet when i get paid to do that and i will let you know so you can get me the address for the lab if you don't mind and i will ask them to send it there as this is very worrying for me |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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Mort13
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5599 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 09:36:21
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Oh no,I'd never heard of this!! Just read up on it a bit and its heart breaking
Hope and pray your snakes get the all clear. Thoughts are with you |
      
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drchino
Yearling
United Kingdom
660 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 13:30:52
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| Thats horrible news, my fingers are crossed for you and your snakes :( |
0.1.0 Izzy - Amber Motley Corn
0.2.0 White rats - Rose and Myra
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 19:03:01
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Thanks guys  there no singes of it yet so think i might have been luck well more praying I've been lucky but my baby royal on the other hand has still not done toilet yet since being fed 4 days ago and she looking all sorry for herself with all she has been thru was thinking of giving her a warm bath to see if that helps and if not then think I'm going to end up loosing her as she is still solid and normally it wouldn't be seen by now going with what i see with my other royals and how quick they digest and do the toilet. |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 02/11/2010 : 23:17:34
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Originally posted by princessbroxy
Thanks guys there no singes of it yet so think i might have been luck well more praying I've been lucky but my baby royal on the other hand has still not done toilet yet since being fed 4 days ago and she looking all sorry for herself with all she has been thru was thinking of giving her a warm bath to see if that helps and if not then think I'm going to end up loosing her as she is still solid and normally it wouldn't be seen by now going with what i see with my other royals and how quick they digest and do the toilet.
Royals dont go toilet anywhere near as much as corns, mine usually go 4 or 5 weeks before leaving me cleaning duties, 4 days is nothing to worry about |
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2010 : 21:09:06
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| As i said i'm only going with what my other royals do but as i type this none of them has went yet lol so hoping she will be fine cos evry time i look at her my heart melts |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 03/11/2010 : 23:38:59
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Originally posted by gmac
Royals dont go toilet anywhere near as much as corns, mine usually go 4 or 5 weeks before leaving me cleaning duties, 4 days is nothing to worry about
Agreed, once the cycle gets going its more regular, but the first few feeds can keep you waiting quite a while. dont worry yet.
as for the rest, no signs are good signs, i really think if you had ibd in your collection you would know about it already. |
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2010 : 18:36:09
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| Thanks mike i would have thought so but there getting kept in quarantine just to be safe better safe than sorry i suppose although last night i was trembling in fear my new spider has a wobble so i found out and its the first time I've seen it so went on the phone to the hubby freaking out and he said its a wobble most spiders have them so i looked it up on u tube and OMG some of them are really bad eh? it did look a bit like IBD but it wasn't as she corrects herself no problem at all so thank god for that lol |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2010 : 21:09:12
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spiders do suffer from some quite severe wobbles, but its nothing to worry about, sadly its normal for them.
Quarantining them is not a bad idea anyway, just make sure your hygeine is spotless in between touching anyway to do with different snakes, otherwise the quarantine is pointless. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 04/11/2010 : 22:01:05
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| lol i have been I'm even using dettol soap and alcohol gel plus i leave him to last if were getting them out for a cuddle I'm washing my hands that much recently my nails have started going really soft so I'm resorted to using false nails lol |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2010 : 18:41:01
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| Any updates?? |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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princessbroxy
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 19:48:27
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| All my babies are fine even the little royal that we thought had internal damage she pooped fine I'm over the moon....i would just like to thank everyone for there support on this so THANK-YOU xxx |
0.0.2 Aneries: Dorito + Sparkles
1.1.0 Hypo Het Lavender Bloodreds: Chilli + Pepper
1.0.0 Motley Butter: Dave
0.1.0 Ghost stripe : Sssam
0.1.0 Lavender: Princesss Annie
0.1.0 Normal: Medusa (baby sitting for 3 years)
2.2.0 Royal Python: Rafiki , Zazu , Pumba + Timone
1.0.0 orange ghost Python:Buster
1.0.0 Pastel python: enygma
0.1.0 spider python:
Kendra
0.1.0 66% het pied: sally
1.0.0 red tail cat fish (Morph)R.I.P
7.2.0 cats (M.I.B.,Picasso,Dealy,Storm,Gokoo,Merc,Chaos,Stitch,Peanuts)
Welcome to my petting zoo lol
Have you ever noticed when you run into a spiders web you all of a sudden turn into a ninja |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 19:57:31
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| good news indeed, |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 15/11/2010 : 22:06:22
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| good news indeed!!! happy days. |
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