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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  12:35:16  Show Profile  Visit Mamma's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancross0

The less mangled ones!
The half mice goes in the bin,




Oooh ok. How do you know they mice are ok? They might have been sprayed with pesticides or something or have some kinda parasite



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Dancross0
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  12:45:41  Show Profile  Visit Dancross0's Homepage  Reply with Quote
I wash them off after they're dead, and freeze them for 2 weeks.



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btcc11
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  13:28:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
We're going off topic here.

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Dancross0
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  13:43:47  Show Profile  Visit Dancross0's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Yep. A bit.



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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn

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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  14:28:31  Show Profile  Visit Mamma's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by btcc11

We're going off topic here.



Was just an honest question.



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gingerpony
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  14:28:47  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by Dancross0

The less mangled ones!
The half mice goes in the bin,


i do the same....but my cats usually bring me voles instead that nothing will eat

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gingerpony
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  14:38:42  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by btcc11

quote:
bl**** h** i'm glad you told me!!!!!!!!!!
still doesn't explain how live-feeding isn't humane for the snake though
and what parasites might live food have that frozen or fresh-killed doesn't?
and on the subject of parasites, does that mean feeding wild, rifle-shot rabbits is fine just because they're dead?


If you freeze it the parasites die and yes they can bite and scratch your snake.


so no internal and external parasites can survive the cold then? like cold UK winters? how on earth do they repopulate in the spring i wonder?
and you haven't covered fresh-killed......

quote:
Originally posted by btcc11

.....and yes they can bite and scratch your snake.

is that what those marks are on my boas???

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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn

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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  14:42:03  Show Profile  Visit Mamma's Homepage  Reply with Quote
If the parasites that could be inside the mice your cat brings in have spores as part of there life cycle freezing will do nothing.. only heat will kill them and it would have to be over 200 degrees.



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mikerichards
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  16:35:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Wild caught mice are a no no, they carry all sorts of parasites and diseases, and freezing is gonna do absolutely nothing, let alone washing them! lol.
Using wild caught food is how you introduce things like pin worm and other nasties, nasties that you wont even know about until the snake is really quite ill from them, as for diseases, well, chances are you wont even know what the disease is until the PM.
Dont use wild caught stuff, its asking for trouble, i stopped using wild shot rabbits for that same reason, and the fact that the snake that was eating said rabbits died, and i didnt have a clue what it was, and still dont as i couldnt afford a PM at the time, all i know is it wasnt parasites, but that doesnt mean it wasnt a disease.

You want a reason not to do it?? learn from my mistake, it cost me a stunning Suriname Boa, she was worth in excess of 500 quid and that doesnt include the babies she may have been carrying!

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Dancross0
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  16:50:03  Show Profile  Visit Dancross0's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Fair enough! My compost bin is getting the few mice that are in the freezer!



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gingerpony
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  20:44:21  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
a bit OT but what i don't understand is that people do routinely worm cats, dogs, rabbits, horses etc so why not snakes? particularly ones that have been fed WC stuff?
it's something i've wondered a lot about in the past as i do feed WC, especially to the big boas, i keep meaning to looking into worming them with FlagylS and Panacur. normally the expense of worming would cancel out the monetary gain from buying WC.........but then can you absolutely guarantee that farmed rabbits have had no access to fresh grass/dandelion leaves or whatever that may introduce parasites to them?

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btcc11
having a break...

United Kingdom
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Posted - 01/09/2011 :  23:19:31  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ginger no offence to you at all but I really don't appreciate the sarcasm.

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Dancross0
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Posted - 02/09/2011 :  11:14:06  Show Profile  Visit Dancross0's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Getting back on topic, would the smell of a f/t wild caught mouse trigger the same feeding response as a live captive bred mouse?



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mikerichards
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Posted - 02/09/2011 :  11:19:37  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
dont know, not tried it. The response on a fresh killed captive bred mouse is very good, completely different to frozen d/f.

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gingerpony
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Posted - 02/09/2011 :  14:10:34  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by btcc11

Ginger no offence to you at all but I really don't appreciate the sarcasm.


btcc no offence to you at all but I really don't appreciate you.

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Mamma
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
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Posted - 02/09/2011 :  15:05:13  Show Profile  Visit Mamma's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by gingerpony

quote:
Originally posted by btcc11

Ginger no offence to you at all but I really don't appreciate the sarcasm.


btcc no offence to you at all but I really don't appreciate you.




I may have guffawed. A little.



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btcc11
having a break...

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  01:37:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Ginger that wasn't clever at all, just because you're an admin doesn't mean you can insult me.

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gingerpony
Queen Bee

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  08:28:28  Show Profile  Click to see gingerpony's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
did i insult you?
i was offering an opinion just like you were........nothing offensive.........

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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  21:29:51  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Gp's opinion is not really any different to yours, you just didnt like her reply.

Its the internet, not everyone likes everyone else, deal with it.

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awlred
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Posted - 03/09/2011 :  22:24:50  Show Profile  Visit awlred's Homepage  Reply with Quote
To lighten the mood; http://xkcd.com/386/

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