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smiffy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
 Posted - 24/09/2010 : 11:47:18
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| personally i cant see a major problem with live feeding if its needed so be it.out of personal prefrence im goin to feed boppers(live thats bin hit on head)as i can gather from info + common sense,the less time from been killed to been eaten the better the nutrional value.i allways fed my collection of fish on live food so cant see why any 1 has a problem really.i suppose its allways goin to be a big talking point so thats my 2 peneth's worth. |
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drchino
Yearling
United Kingdom
660 Posts |
Posted - 24/09/2010 : 13:16:14
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I don't see a problem with it if its necessary, it's not much different that putting loads of mice in a tub and gassing them with CO2. I wouldn't want to do it unless its absolutely necessary though cos I wouldn't want to injure my snake.
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 24/09/2010 : 16:36:40
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Originally posted by smiffy89
out of personal prefrence im goin to feed boppers(live thats bin hit on head)
i think the technical term you're looking for is 'fresh killed'  
and you do usually get quite an enthusiastic feeding response from the snake! |
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chrish
Hatchling
United Kingdom
172 Posts |
Posted - 24/09/2010 : 17:07:23
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Originally posted by gingerpony
quote:
Originally posted by smiffy89
out of personal prefrence im goin to feed boppers(live thats bin hit on head)
i think the technical term you're looking for is 'fresh killed'
and you do usually get quite an enthusiastic feeding response from the snake!
Boppers sounds much cooler though...lol  |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 11/10/2010 : 09:04:33
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Originally posted by drchino
I don't see a problem with it if its necessary, it's not much different that putting loads of mice in a tub and gassing them with CO2. I wouldn't want to do it unless its absolutely necessary though cos I wouldn't want to injure my snake.
Technically thats the only time you are actually allowed to do it!!!
Dont forget though, even a cornsnake is a natural killer, they are exceptional at it.
Dont forget also, a snakes feeding response to a frozen defrost is totally totally different to a fresh kill or a live response. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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slix
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2010 : 16:04:05
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| speaking of how fair / unfair acceptable & unacceptable feeding live prey is to your snake does anybody know how the mice, pinkies , fuzzies rats ect that we buy frozen are killed (i genuinly don't have a clue) but is that humane and unacceptable because i guarantee they havn't died of natural causes !!!ect |
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Figs
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3319 Posts |
Posted - 15/12/2010 : 16:26:29
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Originally posted by slix
speaking of how fair / unfair acceptable & unacceptable feeding live prey is to your snake does anybody know how the mice, pinkies , fuzzies rats ect that we buy frozen are killed (i genuinly don't have a clue) but is that humane and unacceptable because i guarantee they havn't died of natural causes !!!ect
the ones we buy are killed with CO2 chambers.
It is probably one of the most humane ways to kill something - from what i understand just enough CO2 is pumped into a chamber for them to go to sleep, then the ammount is upped and they slip off/suffocate in their sleep |
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slix
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
38 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2010 : 13:26:44
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| thanks alot figs i appreciate ur answer and thanks for teaching me sumink new |
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Carson1915
Egg
United Kingdom
75 Posts |
Posted - 16/12/2010 : 14:13:57
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| You feed lizards live food, albeit insects, however i agree live feeding should only be used in certain circumstances |
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simonw
Hatchling
United Kingdom
128 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 20:53:28
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Originally posted by slix
speaking of how fair / unfair acceptable & unacceptable feeding live prey is to your snake does anybody know how the mice, pinkies , fuzzies rats ect that we buy frozen are killed (i genuinly don't have a clue) but is that humane and unacceptable because i guarantee they havn't died of natural causes !!!ect
I breed my own mice for my snakes, and I have to add that the way mass produced mice are killed is not a concern to me compared to how they live. Mouse farms keep them in very cramped conditions, often 50 mice in a tub with no cover or exercise equipment.
As an example:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZqpnIylN6E
Now surely if you love snakes you can't completely disregard these creatures as well. They're actually quite fun when the snakes are hiding or sleeping (you know, most of the time) 
IMO cervical dislocation is the quickest (instantaneous) and most humane way to euthanize.
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stotty01
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1168 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 20:59:14
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apprently...if the rspca find out you get chrged for two things...
harming a mouse
and harming the snake... |
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stotty01
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1168 Posts |
Posted - 17/12/2010 : 21:01:22
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Originally posted by simonw
[quote]Originally posted by slix
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iZqpnIylN6E
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jonoandapril
Hatchling
United Kingdom
171 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 18:38:14
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| i personally couldnt do it unless it was life threatening not to. id be to worried my snakey would get hurt. also i saw a mouse get killed by a spider when i was in the desert and id rather not have to see my snake doing that every time feed day comes round! |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 21/12/2010 : 21:42:38
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Originally posted by stotty01
apprently...if the rspca find out you get chrged for two things...
harming a mouse
and harming the snake...
That's not entirely accurate.
If you live feed then you do, it's NOT illegal. To give a better analagy of it, I shall use dogs as I have done in the past.
When dogs have a scrap (be it a meeting in the park or in the garden) that's all it is, a small scrap. However if I organised for the dogs to fight to show other people, then it's illegal.
It's the same with feeding live foods to snakes.
If it's done for the right reasons, then there's nothing wrong with it, if it's done simply because you want to see your snake kill prey then it's illegal.
That's the difference between survival and entertainment. |
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Tulip
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
15 Posts |
Posted - 05/01/2011 : 11:21:56
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Originally posted by KITTYCAT
personally i couldnt use live prey i think it is cruel it took me long enough to get over looking at the wee frozen mice ( im a bit soft that way) im a great believer in you wont miss what you've never had ( if your snake has never had a live feed b4 then dont do it)
exactly how i feel, i didnt really want to watch the first few times with a defrosted mouse and couldnt not watch a live mouse getting attacked and eaten, and i agree that if they have never had it and dont need it then why do it?
i see ALOT of horrible videos on youtube especially with snakes eating live rabbits or chicks etc, they should all be banned! if they are filming it, its for entertainment? correct? and posting on the internet, for views, entertainment.? Yes! i call it the kill factor, especially now adays with the internet, and how quick a video can get viewed. people sometimes buy the animals to entertain themselves/ other sick people with the kill factor of them eating live food. people like this shouldnt have the animals.
conclusion - if its for your snakes wellbeing, and to stay alive, and every other option has been tried, then fair enough.
i would find it nescessary to feed live food.
if ifs for entainment/ being filmed then these people shouldnt have the animals in the first place.
rant over. sorry. |
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Cornflake1
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
2 Posts |
Posted - 08/01/2011 : 19:42:19
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Benji54
Hatchling
United Kingdom
449 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:27:46
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intersting topic...im not against live feeding on principle, if the snake benefits from it then the mouse/rat/dog* etc was going to die any way so it isnt a problem for me morally. i think it gets bad press because a lot of peole who do it are unfortuantely doing it for the "wrong" reasons (obviously "wrong" is my opinion) like entertainment or showing off and these people are typically the people who arn't 100% capable of caring for their pets anyway, so when the snake gets injured, its wounds go untreated etc.
In some cases like GP's where the snake needs live prey to survive, i have no problem with it at all, i would do whatever it takes to ensure my snakes' health and if that means the creature dies after going in the viv, as opposed to a week before, i cant see the harm. the beauty of course in this, and similar, cases is that Gingerpony knows what she is doing and if she didnt, the snake wouldnt have got this far so its safe to assume that, god forbid, the snake should receive an injury,it will be cared for and nursed after properly and safely to minimise risks. i feel thats all that can be asked.
i PERSONALLY do not live feed because of the inherent risk to my snakes (as well as the vast impracticalites of me keeping the necessary rodents. the danger comes from people typically using the phrase "well, in the wild..." and explaining how wild snakes will dispatch the prey with seeming ease. as we all know, the reason we all seek captive bred creatures where possible is because they are more docile, less aggresive and therefore not usually anywhere near as adept at hunting as their wild cousins. i can say without a shadow of a doubt that only my royal would survive a live prey enounter because i have worked so hard to mimic live prey since he was a hatchling. the others, which i have adopted or are younger, are all lazy feeders and i feel would come off much worse than a mouse or rat in a scrap. i am trying to get them to ophion's stage of accurate striking and proper constriction and it would be beneficial to do so as it opens up my options should any of them ever end up in a position like GP's boa where its eother live or force feeding.
The argument "its more natural to feed live" never holds much sway with me though, its not natural to keep them in a 4 foot glass box but thats what we're doing so if thats how you feel, you probably shouldnt have bought them as pets in the first place! that isnt me saying, "dont keep snakes as pets, its not natural" obviously im just saying that in the case of live feeding, its a self defeating argument to bring nature into it.
in conclusion, i have no objection to live feeding when done by sensible people who have done the necessary research, can provide the necessary care for the snake should the worst happen and are doing it for the "right" reasons, whatever they deem those to be. i can say pretty confidently that everyone i have met on here so far falls into that category so anyone who does live feed and is reading this shouldnt be offended by any of it, im sure that the snake is in the best possible care.
*the dog example is used for humour purposes, i dont actually feed dogs to snakes...and neither should you probably! ;) |
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Benji54
Hatchling
United Kingdom
449 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:32:15
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Originally posted by Tulip
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Originally posted by KITTYCAT
personally i couldnt use live prey i think it is cruel it took me long enough to get over looking at the wee frozen mice ( im a bit soft that way) im a great believer in you wont miss what you've never had ( if your snake has never had a live feed b4 then dont do it)
exactly how i feel, i didnt really want to watch the first few times with a defrosted mouse and couldnt not watch a live mouse getting attacked and eaten
i see exaxtly where your coming from but i think, as a pet owner, you have to remove the fluffy cute mouse image in your head from the snake food in the freezer. my gf is the same, as was my brother first time round, but i ignore it and just see it as food, in the same way i dont think about the lil bunnies that get ground up for rabbit flavoured dog food...if you go to a moral place with things like this you just make yourself feel bad. easier said than done maybe... |
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stotty01
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1168 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:53:21
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| i dont really have a problem with it aswell, if a snake is used to live food and you tried feeding it fresh killed or dead and still no take...live is the only option |
my aunties, bestfriends, hairdressers, friends boyfriend had a snake and it stretched out to measure him to eat him......true story.....
1.0.0 tortoise
1.0.0 sinaloan milk snake
1.0.0 jack russel
0.1.0 anery corn medusa
1.0.0 snow corn abomninable
0.1.0 royal python priscilla
http://www.youtube.com/user/stotty01 dads youtube channel
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stotty01
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1168 Posts |
Posted - 09/01/2011 : 12:54:10
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| its also to us like drinking warm milk and cold milk...somepeople like it diffrently, so same with snakes i guess |
my aunties, bestfriends, hairdressers, friends boyfriend had a snake and it stretched out to measure him to eat him......true story.....
1.0.0 tortoise
1.0.0 sinaloan milk snake
1.0.0 jack russel
0.1.0 anery corn medusa
1.0.0 snow corn abomninable
0.1.0 royal python priscilla
http://www.youtube.com/user/stotty01 dads youtube channel
Tail n scales, Linton, Cambs, CB21 4XN, Tel no 01223 893 508 http://www.tails-n-scales.co.uk/
wish list: boa! |
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