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| chrisc |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 16:03:55
just out of interest i was wondering is it possible to breed a rat snake with a corn snake? |
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| Kehhlyr |
Posted - 06/08/2011 : 19:05:59
quote:
Originally posted by chrisc
That is a (pueblan X cali king) X nelsons milksnake.
Bred by http://www.crotalusco.com/ about 2 or 3 years ago.
So either the sire or the dam to this was a pueblan X cali king which was then bred with a Nelsons. |
| carmichael6 |
Posted - 06/08/2011 : 17:35:51
quote:
Originally posted by tarotpodge
quote:
Originally posted by gmac
creamsicle = amel x great plains rat
Thanks gmac...i was unsure of which corn morph 
EDIT: correct me if im wrong but rootbeer corns are also a rat cross corn.....
Yup you're right, Gino has been identified on here as a rootbeer :) |
| chrisc |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 17:42:29
nice one, cheers for the info mike |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 03/08/2011 : 09:56:12
sounds about right, i dont work in F so i cant tell you, however, incubate at 28 degrees c and you got about 55 days, give or take.
Brumation wise, i start about october early november, through till early feb. Dropping temps has to be done slowly, you want about 4 weeks to drop the temps, drop to about 15 degrees, warm them slowly too, dont feed until you are at about 25 degs. Female doesnt have to shed after brumation, some do, some dont. Mating wise, as many times as they want really, the more the merrier, you are more likely to get a better clutch if you let the male have his way a little more. Also, it depends on the siz of the male, if hes a small lad, let him have more time. Personally i go for 24 hours at a time, then break, then another 24 hours, break etc give him a good chance, sometimes you get a super fertile male, only has the be near the female to get a really good clutch, other times you get a rubbish one that needs loads of time, you will only find out about hat through time.
Eggs wise, its essential you dont turn them, it will kill them, you have a fairly wise temp range, anything from 21 to 32 degrees, anything either way will kill them very quickly. Even though you can crank the temps up and reduve your incubation period, i suggest you dont, 28.5 isnt a number plucked out of the air, its given the most stable hatch rate with the best babies time and time again, if you incubate hot, you will reduce your incubation time, but you also increase the risk of deformed and 'hot' babies, where they can be very aggressive and very hard to tame down.
Incidentally, i havent tried incubating cool, its something i might try next year though. |
| chrisc |
Posted - 02/08/2011 : 19:43:13
right then people ive been reaserching breeding and this is what ive got so far, if anyone can tell me anything ive missed or read wrong please let me know.
feed the female up a bit over the summer then let her brumate from december through to jan or feb stopping feeding 2 weeks before i start to lower the temps down to 55-60f checking snake and changing water weekly.
slowly warm her back up an start with smaller food at first then as much as she will take to fatten her up.
after she sheds shes ready to mate.
introduce her to the males viv and watch for mating signs (male chaseing and rubbing his chin along her back)
allow them to mate 3 times after mating feed her smaller food items every few days to build her up.
6 weeks is she will shed, then add nest box with spagnum moss.
once eggs have been laid remove and place in incubator without turning them and incubate for around 60 days at 82f
any of this sound right?
cheers |
| MrsA82 |
Posted - 29/07/2011 : 21:50:14
There you go
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| eeji |
Posted - 29/07/2011 : 20:20:23
corns can easily breed with any of the Panterophis genus ratsnakes. |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 29/07/2011 : 15:02:30
google doesnt always speak the truth! |
| chrisc |
Posted - 29/07/2011 : 14:04:46
oh right, that pic was on google under bairds x corn. im liking the bairds x corn pic you posted, may have swayed my idea to breed them next year |
| mikerichards |
Posted - 28/07/2011 : 22:28:15
Just to Add, the thayers king is a variable pattern, so each baby is very different, breeding a variable into a corn can have some quite nice effects, for example is have a trio of metallics, they are corn x Durango mountain kings, and as such are variable, mine vary from very red to almost silver and red, pattern not so much, but colour for sure.
Just to add, this is a corn x bairds:
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| mikerichards |
Posted - 28/07/2011 : 22:24:17
quote:
Originally posted by chrisc
from what ive been reading you can breed them
this is supposedly a baird's rat x c corn
mmm possible breeding project next year
thats not a rat cross, i think you will find thats a Lampro cross, the pattern is too variable to be ratsnake, and the colours are wrong!
Have a look and a google this:
Nelsons milk X thayeri Kingsnake
i think you will find that that is what your pictured snake is.
A Bairds x corn is grey and black, like an anery corn but with much narrower saddles, dont quote me but i get the impression that Bairds are naturally anery, all the crosses i have seen have been very anery in appearance. |
| tarotpodge |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:31:41
it was suggested one of my rescue babies is a rat cross corn (rootbeer) but not a definate ID... not that it makes any odds to me. |
| gmac |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:25:15
quote:
Originally posted by tarotpodge
EDIT: correct me if im wrong but rootbeer corns are also a rat cross corn.....
they are yes is other morphs apart from amel x great plains |
| chrisc |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:18:26
nice looking snake. will carry on doing reaserch before i decide what to do. i did read a bit about breeding and says i need to let the female hibernate before letting her breed, is this right?
also what time of year is corn/rat breeding season? |
| gmac |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:14:26
chances are you wont really, Hybrids arent everyones cup of tea. but heres one for you, not posting the photo as dont have permission but this link will take you http://www.hybridherps.com/forum/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=118 |
| chrisc |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:04:24
oh right. aint found many pics of bairds x corns yet |
| tarotpodge |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 19:03:21
quote:
Originally posted by gmac
creamsicle = amel x great plains rat
Thanks gmac...i was unsure of which corn morph
EDIT: correct me if im wrong but rootbeer corns are also a rat cross corn..... |
| gmac |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 18:58:36
creamsicle = amel x great plains rat |
| chrisc |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 18:57:04
do you know what type of rat its crossed with? |
| tarotpodge |
Posted - 22/07/2011 : 18:54:51
i have a rat cross corn = creamsicle  |
