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| Moppet |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 19:14:25
I'm a little confused.
I know that the masque gene shows as a pattern on the head and split belly checkers.
I know that corn snake genes are supposed to have no markers for hets.
However I have produced multiple normal (without the masque head patterns) which have split ventral checkers.
Any idea why? |
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| eeji |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 23:23:26
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Originally posted by Moppet
^^^ this one is definitely masque  |
| Moppet |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 22:48:45
*sniggers*
Yeah, in the past eeji has said she could be either. |
| smart bunny |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 16:01:58
I keep telling you she's hypo, one day you will give in and agree lol! And if eeji pops back and says she's not it won't make any difference - I'll have my fingers in my ears la la la :P |
| Moppet |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 15:15:26
Haha, I was expecting that sort of a response. I meant the babies
There is a bit of debate about Mum. Kali was sold as a normal from a breeder who had her since a hatchling but she doesn't have much black. She's either a very good normal or a not so good Hypo. I will find out for sure next year as I will be pairing her with my Hypo Diffused. If all the babies come out as Hypo then that settles it once and for all |
| AcidicAngel |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 10:34:23
I'd say Kali is... She looks almost identical to my girly who is Hypo ph Amel  Just my 2 cents. |
| smart bunny |
Posted - 20/08/2013 : 08:19:12
But Kali is :P :P :P |
| Moppet |
Posted - 19/08/2013 : 22:28:30
I don't think any of these guys are hypo, what do you think eeji?  |
| smart bunny |
Posted - 19/08/2013 : 20:41:13
NOOOOOOO EEJI, you just made everything I 'knew' all confused again lol! |
| eeji |
Posted - 19/08/2013 : 18:37:56
don't forget that hypo can give split belly chequers too ;) |
| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 31/07/2013 : 15:38:54
Moppet- Here's an example of one of the Ambers. He has a fairly interesting head pattern, but not the classic scream mask many people associate with Masque. However he does have very obvious track checkers. Dad is a masque, but mum is not. :) Pic is only phone, so I do apologise!
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| Moppet |
Posted - 30/07/2013 : 18:19:24
Awesome I've learnt lots from my first clutch already. I love the genetics side of things.
I thought my babies were just going to be normal, with a few hets. I had no idea of the masque bit. Very exciting. I thought masque corns had to have the proper 'scream' pattern like my two diffused corns do. I wonder if they are super masques, if not maybe I'll get some super masques from that pairing in a few years time as both of them are masque corns with what I would call the classic masque head patterns. I wonder if they look any different.
Looking forward to seeing your photos |
| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 30/07/2013 : 17:26:26
MjPeters- Diffused has no checkers, and het diffused have full checkers. The effect which is commonly misunderstood which shows split belly checkers is not anything to do with diffused, it's the masque gene only.
Moppet- Love the Aneries checkered belly btw :) However on the Mum I can see some elements near the tail which look a little masque like. I know you mentioned she's in shed, however in the orange faded areas, you can see some splitting of the patterns.
As Gmac says however, those babies you posted pics of are most positively masque :) I have 10 Ambers this year, of which 4 are heavily masqued (full on split checkers and crazy head patterns) and 2 which are only split checkered, but still have slightly unique head patterns- like your babies. This works out to 6/10 - which again is roughly half. So this agrees with the general notion that Masque acts very much like Tessera, in that if you are "het" masque/Tessera, 50% of the babies will be as such. So I suppose there is also a masque super form :)
I LOVE exploring these new genetics :D Welcome to the masque club!
I'll post pics of a few of mine tomorrow so you can see how similar they are to yours. |
| Moppet |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 23:11:08
Thanks mjpeters.
Thanks gmac. I'm a little confused as to where they got it from. Do you think either of the parents looks like masque?
I thought it was supposed to be a dominant gene? Not much information on it about... |
| gmac |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 23:03:15
masque ;) |
| mjpeters |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 22:53:51
Well,they look pretty splendid to me!may be worth speaking to them nice folks at Multicorn re the whole Masque thing-Martin has found that with his (at least) Masque tends to also lead to a broken pattern-like diffused but different. |
| Moppet |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 21:30:51
Photos of the parents
Kali - the normal female is very deep in blue so I don't think it's really possible to see her head pattern. Even when she's not blue it isn't clear.
Apollo - the anery male has just come out of blue but I think his head pattern is just about visible.
Hard to see whether their head patterns are normal really but they don't look masque to me...
Mum - normal female
Belly - not actually split pattern, just faded to orange which isn't visible because she's blue
Ventral when not blue
Dad - Anery male
Belly - busy pattern but not split (excuse bulginess, he's due a shed and tends to wait to poop until afterwards...)
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| Moppet |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 21:21:34
Or I've just missed something 
I think about half of my babies are affected (3 out of the 7 which have hatched have split ventral checkers). I suppose their head pattern is slightly abnormal too just not what I'd call masque (the classic scream/mask image...)
Okay photos Photobucket made this as hard as possible, really acting up...
On closer inspection (using the zoom on my camera...) I think perhaps their head patterns do look a little masque, just not very clearly. I will take photos of parents head patterns too just to be sure...
#5 - Normal male with split belly checker, little dots on the head pattern? Masqueish?
#7 - Normal male with split ventral pattern and masque(ish) looking head pattern.
Just a comparison
#1 - Normal female with normal ventral pattern and normal head pattern. Also because *ahem* she's my favourate from the clutch so far because of her amazingly placcid nature and gorgeous colouring... Don't tell the others...
Soooo what do we think? Masque babies? |
| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 20:23:45
Interesting.. Masque is though to be at least co-dom at the moment, so it's surprising to see neither parent showing. The Amber pairing I have the male is very heavily masqued, so assumed some babies would be (I'd imagine about 1/2 are).
Keen to see a picture :)
There must be more to this gene than we know! |
| Moppet |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 19:36:07
Nope, neither of the parents are masque. Neither parent has split ventral checkers. Just one or two of the hatchlings, their head patterns are completely normal, no other hint of the masque gene.
I will put up some pictures a little later when I have charged my camera |
| oakleyman18 |
Posted - 29/07/2013 : 19:34:04
Hey Moppet :)
As far as I'm aware, the masque gene can manifest itself without the head pattern, however the checkers is usually the best way to ascertain Masque. I have a few Ambers this year that have split checkers but little head markings, some masques with checkers and with head markings, and some completely normal ambers. Masque is still relatively new, but if you have split checkers, then Masque it is :) I'll get up some pictures of mine tomorrow to see if they're the same!
Am I right in assuming one of the parents was Masque? |
