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| Oh How Original |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 21:56:22
Right I have been trying to understand what morphs and things produce what but still don't fully get it.
I have been offered an 2005 male Anery and 2007 female Amel.
If I was to go for it and actually breed these what would they produce? |
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| Oh How Original |
Posted - 14/02/2011 : 00:17:01
quote:
Originally posted by eeji
'super' is a slang word for a 'homozygous codominant to normal' morph, and as corns don't have any morphs that are codom with normal there aren't any supers :)
soul sucker is a combination not a single morph so theres no super soul sucker either. I don't know what goes into them so haven't a clue what the pairing would produce
Brian at BHB reptiles is selling super soul suckers...
Or maybe they are Pastel soul suckers.
I forgot, anyway only used that as an example lol.
And right so there isn't any supers.
I was just thinking, if I got 2 of the same adults that were say visual caramel, then 100% of offspring should be visual caramel shouldn't they?
Provided the parents have no hets. |
| eeji |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 22:49:18
'super' is a slang word for a 'homozygous codominant to normal' morph, and as corns don't have any morphs that are codom with normal there aren't any supers :)
soul sucker is a combination not a single morph so theres no super soul sucker either. I don't know what goes into them so haven't a clue what the pairing would produce |
| Figs |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 20:04:47
quote:
Originally posted by Oh How Original
OK thanks for all that.
Another thing I was curious about, when it comes to morphs are corns the same as royals?
For example, breed 2 soul suckers together and get a super soul sucker?
What would happen if you bred say 2 visual caramels?
Super caramels? *unsure*
caramel + caramel = caramel 
i dont think corns have supers; their morphs seem a lot less confusing than royals! |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 19:10:20
OK thanks for all that.
Another thing I was curious about, when it comes to morphs are corns the same as royals?
For example, breed 2 soul suckers together and get a super soul sucker?
What would happen if you bred say 2 visual caramels?
Super caramels? *unsure* |
| eeji |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 13:07:21
you'd get normal ones, then breed them back to each other for normal ones, orange ones, grey ones and white ones :) |
| Kehhlyr |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 03:44:49
So can someone clarify something for me as well, as I'm poo with morphs as well.
As per the original posters question, am I right in saying that he'd end up with orange ones that could then produce grey ones?? |
| eeji |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 02:28:48
99% of cornsnake morphs are recessive, so BOTH parents need to pass down the same morph gene for any babies to be visual.
There are a few exceptions:
Tessera: only one parent (either het or homo - they look the same) needed to make more tesseras
Motley: this is a bit of a boring one, but motley x stripe makes visual motleys (but they are actually het motley, het stripe)
Ultramel: ultramel is a case of a+b=c, and is actually het amel and het ultra. To get ultramel you need one parent to pass down amel, the other ultra so you can do amel x ultra, amel x ultramel, ultra x ultramel. As an example (using a combination) this is how you get stuff like golddust using ultramel het caramel x butter |
| gmac |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:47:33
to make a butter stripe you would need for example amel stripe het caramel x caramel het amel stripe for a chance of having butter stripes, both snakes must have the required genes to make butters in either homo or het form.
If you were to breed an amel x caramel you would get normals het for amel x caramel you could then keep a few hatchies back then breed them together to get a chace of butters |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:43:48
And yes I really would love an in depth conversation with Ian about morphs and things.
My dad is also extremely keen on perhaps breeding corns, not for any kind of money making business but just to do it.
But I don't like to ask people for too much because I feel a bit of a pest :/ |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:42:34
quote:
Originally posted by gmac
quote:
Originally posted by Oh How Original
Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think.
To breed amel stripes you would need both snakes to carry the amel and stripe genes. The same theory behind the anery.
Butter stripes you would need the snakes to both have amel, caramel and stripe genes.
Cinammon you would need a great plains rat and corn snake both with the stripe gene and hypo
quote:
Originally posted by lotabob
I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here.
or you could ask here, there are people on this forum that know snake genetics. there is always Eeji 
You make it sound so easy!
So right just for example if I wanted to make a Butter Stripe.
Could the adult male be Amel het stripe and the female be caramel het Stripe?
Or would one and/or the other have to be visual Stripe? |
| lotabob |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:53:13
See there you go, already it turns out more complex than a+b=C. I'm guessing that without a helping hand from a breeder selling some of their PROVEN het snakes its a bit hit and miss getting started in the breeding business. Is there any morph a + morph b = morph c without any hidden het stuff involved.
(as you can see, I know nothing about it, I'm now proving this) |
| gmac |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:45:36
quote:
Originally posted by Oh How Original
Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think.
To breed amel stripes you would need both snakes to carry the amel and stripe genes. The same theory behind the anery.
Butter stripes you would need the snakes to both have amel, caramel and stripe genes.
Cinammon you would need a great plains rat and corn snake both with the stripe gene and hypo
quote:
Originally posted by lotabob
I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here.
or you could ask here, there are people on this forum that know snake genetics. there is always Eeji |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:44:25
Yeah thats why I posted this, because now I know I need an Amel het anery and Anery, or Anery het amel and Amel.
And as for their patch goes lol, I would be doing it for private collection, or maybe giving a few away.
Not in it for the money.
If I was I would attempt to breed some high end stuff lol.
Purely for my love of snakes and the satisfaction of knowing I successfully did it :) |
| lotabob |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:36:10
I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here. |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:23:30
Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think. |
| lotabob |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:12:46
What are you trying to produce, or what would you like to produce, start there and work backwards because lots of pairings will only ever produce normals with hets. If you are looking to make some money out of breeding have in mind your goal and work from there. If someone is selling a pair they are obviously not money makers. |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:11:15
Damn, I would have loved to be able to produce something nice visual.
Preferably Stripes for irony.
Oh well maybe not then, thanks guys :) |
| eeji |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:10:23
that doesn't change anything, except all the hatchies would also be 50% posible het stripe |
| gmac |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:09:34
not unless the anery is a stripe or het stripe |
| Oh How Original |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:07:17
He has just told me the Amel is het Stripe.
If that changes things at all? |
