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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
 Posted - 12/02/2011 : 21:56:22
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Right I have been trying to understand what morphs and things produce what but still don't fully get it.
I have been offered an 2005 male Anery and 2007 female Amel.
If I was to go for it and actually breed these what would they produce? |
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1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 21:58:22
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| A goose. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:01:25
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Oh cooooooooool.
I must have these goose laying snakes! :D |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:01:33
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| normals het anery amel, assuming there is not hets with the breeding pair |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:03:30
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So nothing visual then?
Presuming theres no hets in the adults. |
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1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:04:14
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| nope, unless the amel is het anery or the anery is het amel |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:07:17
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He has just told me the Amel is het Stripe.
If that changes things at all? |
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1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:09:34
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| not unless the anery is a stripe or het stripe |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:11:15
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Damn, I would have loved to be able to produce something nice visual.
Preferably Stripes for irony.
Oh well maybe not then, thanks guys :) |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:12:46
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| What are you trying to produce, or what would you like to produce, start there and work backwards because lots of pairings will only ever produce normals with hets. If you are looking to make some money out of breeding have in mind your goal and work from there. If someone is selling a pair they are obviously not money makers. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:23:30
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Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think. |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:36:10
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| I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here. |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:44:25
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Yeah thats why I posted this, because now I know I need an Amel het anery and Anery, or Anery het amel and Amel.
And as for their patch goes lol, I would be doing it for private collection, or maybe giving a few away.
Not in it for the money.
If I was I would attempt to breed some high end stuff lol.
Purely for my love of snakes and the satisfaction of knowing I successfully did it :) |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:45:36
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Originally posted by Oh How Original
Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think.
To breed amel stripes you would need both snakes to carry the amel and stripe genes. The same theory behind the anery.
Butter stripes you would need the snakes to both have amel, caramel and stripe genes.
Cinammon you would need a great plains rat and corn snake both with the stripe gene and hypo
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Originally posted by lotabob
I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here.
or you could ask here, there are people on this forum that know snake genetics. there is always Eeji  |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
4334 Posts |
Posted - 12/02/2011 : 22:53:13
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See there you go, already it turns out more complex than a+b=C. I'm guessing that without a helping hand from a breeder selling some of their PROVEN het snakes its a bit hit and miss getting started in the breeding business. Is there any morph a + morph b = morph c without any hidden het stuff involved.
(as you can see, I know nothing about it, I'm now proving this) |
Anery Corn snake SPOT. Royal Python, DUKE. Hogg Island Boa, SANKE. Albino House Snake, HAL.
Harlequin Crested Gecko HARLEY
Albino Horned Frog WAKA
Chilean Rose Tarantula TRIXIE. Brazilian Salmon Pink Bird-eating Tarantula SAM. Orange Baboon Tarantula BORIS.
Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
Giant African Land Snails, SHELDON & MICHELLE.
Budwing Mantis, MAIA
Dubia Roach Colony. Silkworm Colony. Mealworm Colony. Waxworm Colony. Fruit Beetle Colony.
MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL http://www.youtube.com/user/alocheeky |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:42:34
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Originally posted by gmac
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Originally posted by Oh How Original
Well ultimately I'd love to produce a few different stripes, not all at once obviously.
Amel.
Anery.
Butter.
Cinnamon stripe would be quite cool too.
Theres quite a few I would ultimately like to produce.
But anery and amel to begin with I think.
To breed amel stripes you would need both snakes to carry the amel and stripe genes. The same theory behind the anery.
Butter stripes you would need the snakes to both have amel, caramel and stripe genes.
Cinammon you would need a great plains rat and corn snake both with the stripe gene and hypo
quote:
Originally posted by lotabob
I don't know Jack about breeding snakes but check Ians vivarium or I'm sure someone on here could advise you what makes each one of the ones in your list (providing your not too close to their patch lol). I must admit its something I'd love to get into but I live in Northern Ireland so very limited demand and I haven't seen a shortage in snakes around here.
or you could ask here, there are people on this forum that know snake genetics. there is always Eeji
You make it sound so easy!
So right just for example if I wanted to make a Butter Stripe.
Could the adult male be Amel het stripe and the female be caramel het Stripe?
Or would one and/or the other have to be visual Stripe? |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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Oh How Original
Yearling
United Kingdom
591 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:43:48
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And yes I really would love an in depth conversation with Ian about morphs and things.
My dad is also extremely keen on perhaps breeding corns, not for any kind of money making business but just to do it.
But I don't like to ask people for too much because I feel a bit of a pest :/ |
When on the Forums, always be nice, stick to the rules and help when you can.
1.0.0 Normal Royal - Ronald.
1.0.0 Carpet Python - Magic.
1.0.0 Amel Corn - Pendulum.
1.0.0 Anery Corn - Chilli.
0.1.0 Snow Corn - Wormsle.
0.1.0 California King x Mexican Black - Lucy.
0.1.0 Leopard Gecko - Bear. |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 01:47:33
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to make a butter stripe you would need for example amel stripe het caramel x caramel het amel stripe for a chance of having butter stripes, both snakes must have the required genes to make butters in either homo or het form.
If you were to breed an amel x caramel you would get normals het for amel x caramel you could then keep a few hatchies back then breed them together to get a chace of butters |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 02:28:48
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99% of cornsnake morphs are recessive, so BOTH parents need to pass down the same morph gene for any babies to be visual.
There are a few exceptions:
Tessera: only one parent (either het or homo - they look the same) needed to make more tesseras
Motley: this is a bit of a boring one, but motley x stripe makes visual motleys (but they are actually het motley, het stripe)
Ultramel: ultramel is a case of a+b=c, and is actually het amel and het ultra. To get ultramel you need one parent to pass down amel, the other ultra so you can do amel x ultra, amel x ultramel, ultra x ultramel. As an example (using a combination) this is how you get stuff like golddust using ultramel het caramel x butter |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 13/02/2011 : 03:44:49
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So can someone clarify something for me as well, as I'm poo with morphs as well.
As per the original posters question, am I right in saying that he'd end up with orange ones that could then produce grey ones?? |
-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon
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Bit of a noob question sorry.
