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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
 Posted - 22/04/2010 : 09:40:07
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Right if memory serves me quite a few people on here breed and kill their own mice/rats ..... im looking into this for possible future plans.. have done some research on it.. and will continue to do so till im happy i know what it entails. Those who are seasoned breeders could you please advise me as to where you get your co2 cannisters and regualtors from. |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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crazy JJ
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2326 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 12:39:35
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erm sorry i cant reli help with this question as i wouldnt have the heart to do it but i think this was a topic a while ago have you tried the search button ?? that might help
All i know i think that is the most humane way 2 do it but i still couldn't but its up2 u.
erm i duno if people (or its even poss) to make one yaself but i will let someone that knows what there on about 2 answer ya question lol :/ |
2.5 corns 2.0 cali kings 1.0 tange hondo milk 1.0 apricot pueblan milk 1.0 royal (overgrown slug) 0.1 tarantula 1.0 chinchilla chico, 0.1 goldfish tigger 0.0.4 minows 0.2 cats fudge and porsha and 0.3.2 tarantula’s that are my mummys
r.i.p to the lil ones that i and mummy have lost recently |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 14:03:25
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0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
3984 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 15:10:42
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Hi Punumbear how many snakes do you have exactly? How many mice do you plan on producing?
I know breeding/killing is a very costly - caging, cleaning, feeding the prey item then waiting for the babies to grow to correct sizes (also lots of babies eat alot and need cleaning out alot = £££!)
Buying frozen might be cheaper in the long run, is all I'd say, just my opinion, take it or leave it. 
GRAPHIC EXPLANATION FOLLOWS - WARNING TO SQUEAMISH READERS!
The most humane way of killing something is swift but complete brain destruction, what some people may say is that co2 chambers are not humane as the mouse would have to be fully asleep before you up the dosage to suffocate it, and you may not be able to tell if its fully asleep (thus it'd suffer) and when it's dead, sounds silly I know, but fully dead.. You dont want to be wiggling him and then suddenly he wakes up and thinks WTF! (Mouse, and snake!)
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 15:39:00
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The ONLY humane way is co2 chamber, the mice go to sleep, and during their sleep they die. So no suffering is involved.
I'd rather die in my sleep than have someone smash a hammer through my skull. |
-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
3984 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 15:47:34
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quote:
Originally posted by Kehhlyr
The ONLY humane way is co2 chamber, the mice go to sleep, and during their sleep they die. So no suffering is involved.
I'd rather die in my sleep than have someone smash a hammer through my skull.
You'd be already dead before you felt it.
Sometimes people can get it wrong though whether the mouse is asleep or slightly sleepy before they up the dosage, which the mouse will suffer in.
However, I'm sure punumbear wont make this mistake. 
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Twi
Yearling
United Kingdom
536 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 15:56:08
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Originally posted by hillzi
quote:
Originally posted by Kehhlyr
The ONLY humane way is co2 chamber, the mice go to sleep, and during their sleep they die. So no suffering is involved.
I'd rather die in my sleep than have someone smash a hammer through my skull.
You'd be already dead before you felt it.
Sometimes people can get it wrong though whether the mouse is asleep or slightly sleepy before they up the dosage, which the mouse will suffer in.
However, I'm sure punumbear wont make this mistake.
I wouldn't say smashing a hammer into the skull was the most humane way to kill something, if you didn't hit it hard enough the poor thing would suffer a lot more. To me the idea of dying in their sleep sounds a lot better than hoping someone hits my head hard enough to kill me out right. |
 
1.0.0 Snow Motley Corn Snake. (Mouse)
1.0.0 Amel Corn Snake. (Ginger)
0.2.0 Chinese Crested Dogs. (Skeebee & Yuki)
0.1.0 Bullmastiff x American Bulldog (Tsukira)
1.1.0 Ferrets. (Spike & Buffy)
0.2.0 Aylesbury Ducks. (Crispy & Nibbles)
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
8173 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 16:00:27
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The only way to make a mistake when using a co2 chamber is through stupidity and impatience.
The mice/chicks go in, the co2 gets turned on slowly and you walk away.
The prey items start falling asleep, so you leave it for a couple more mins and they're dead.
If they're not dead then they just wake up and start moving around again with no ill effects.
A stab in the skull with something is not always as instantly effective and most people think. |
-=Kehhlyr - The Resident Loon
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Posted - 22/04/2010 : 16:20:55
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
The ONLY humane way is co2 chamber, the mice go to sleep, and during their sleep they die. So no suffering is involved.
I'd rather die in my sleep than have someone smash a hammer through my skull.
I think thats the Best way to go!
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 17:03:33
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You can mistakes through both co2 chambers and smashing the head. You need to know what your doing and if you are doing either method for a long time then you are bound to at some point make a mistake which entails the mouse suffering it's the way it goes I'm afraid.
I suppose co2 chamber would mean less mess but also more costly. I have a book that says if you breed your own mice, get them by the tale and smash their heads onto something concrete or on the corner of the snakes viv. |
   
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 18:18:35
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| well as im an animal lover i cant condone the smashing of the skull as thts just brutal so cheers kehhlyr & hillzi for the sound advice... as i said it wont be for a while yet as i already have 5 snakes the last being my hatchling whiteout.. but will be looking to produce my own food items in a few years... just want to make sure of the best method and route to go which causes the less anguish.... but i shall keep looking. Alot of my friends who are established snake keepers are gettin their rats/mice free so just thought id look into it.... i know as with anything initial set up start costs are considerable but eventual benefits i.e p&p costs.. and the fact u know what ya breeders are being fed n how they are kept outweigh the majourity of concerns... staple i have looked into c02 chambers and its 25.00 to start with initial 5.00 refill(round here anyway) so added bits n pieces mice, tubs food etc wont be a massive dent in the pocket.. But i wont be doing anythi9ng till im fully satisfied that i know the ins n outs and wont do it just on a whim... cheers guys x |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 19:13:47
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Believe me if you do it right they don't feel it but you never know if you will do it right. It's like the whole if you shoot someone in the head right then they don't feel it but if you do it wrong, they get part of their brain missing and bleed to death.
You have to also think about disease amongst the small animals you keep as I assume you will have many then the likely hood of health problems will increase. I also imagine if not cleaned out every day they would stink as well so it could all be quite time consuming. If you want to do it, go for it. If you had a lot of them I bet some people on here would buy them from you if the p and p was good. |
A very special super, duper thanks for K :3 |
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reptiledanny
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1809 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 19:25:32
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| i once thought about breeding mice as a hobby as i quite like mice but the i would sell the baies. but then i thought that with a couple of them i could kill and feed to my snake, but after a bit of research found that it was alot cheaper to buy my pinkies so... |
1.1 royal pythons 0.1 hog island boa 1.0 corn snake
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 19:33:11
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| staple as to start with i would only be looking to fill my own freezer with small/meds/large/jumbos... as majority of mine are on those.. should i get anymore hatchlings of boa/python/corn then ill consider the pinks/fuzzies etc... i have kept rats n mice as pets over prev years and their husbandry records have been spotless i keep on top of cleaning out every week .. n feeding is every other day etc etc... but once my lot are full grown the feed bill will change considerably obviously.. but i will aim to weigh up the pros n cons of ordering in versus home grown sts.. so we shall see.;) |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 21:41:21
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Bit greusome to some people as this may be:
the most humane way to kill a rodent (in my opinon and legally) is overdose of CO2 and then cervical dislocation! This is done to make sure the mouse definately dead and therefore doesnt suffer!! Once you know they're well under, enough to kill them, to make doubly sure they are dead (and therefore theres no risk of the mouse regaining consciouseness and the mouse or snake getting unesseccarily injured) breaking the neck is ALOT faster, humane and less messy than bashing their head on the side of a worktop, etc. put the FULLY unconscious mouse laying on its front and Use a screwdriver and place it directly behind the skull, right at the top of it backbone. Then push down HARD, at the same time pulling the mouse up at a 45degree angle, holding onto its tail and back legs! quick+once this is done the mouse is brain dead! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 21:50:24
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| is that spoken from experience tina?? lol |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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tinamiles
Hatchling
United Kingdom
255 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 21:53:46
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| no, just alot of research! Did a degree in animal behaviour+welfare, so had to do alot of research into laws+humane killing for one lovely module LOL! |
1.1 Cornsnake: Fluffy and Blaze
1.0 Kenyan Sand Boa: Falcor
0.1 Bearded dragon: Chilli
1.1 Cats: Jackson and Mia
1.0 Fiance: Ade :) |
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 22/04/2010 : 22:02:44
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| as with anything i guess theory n practise are always diff.. but im in no rush gonna continue info finding n speaking to those that know.. n see what happens when im ready to go there..:O) |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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Mouse
Yearling
United Kingdom
958 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2010 : 10:26:57
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| Think I'm gonna just keep going to the shop and buying frozen ones! |
 
1.0.0 - Gobo - Snow Corn (RIP)
0.1.0 - Sprockett - Normal/hypo/het snow Corn
2.0.0 Anery Hatchlings
0.1.0 Amel Hatchling
0.1.0 Normal Hatchling
*Location - Southampton, UK*
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shaun727
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
47 Posts |
Posted - 23/04/2010 : 13:09:16
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quote:
Originally posted by tinamiles
Bit greusome to some people as this may be:
the most humane way to kill a rodent (in my opinon and legally) is overdose of CO2 and then cervical dislocation! This is done to make sure the mouse definately dead and therefore doesnt suffer!! Once you know they're well under, enough to kill them, to make doubly sure they are dead (and therefore theres no risk of the mouse regaining consciouseness and the mouse or snake getting unesseccarily injured) breaking the neck is ALOT faster, humane and less messy than bashing their head on the side of a worktop, etc. put the FULLY unconscious mouse laying on its front and Use a screwdriver and place it directly behind the skull, right at the top of it backbone. Then push down HARD, at the same time pulling the mouse up at a 45degree angle, holding onto its tail and back legs! quick+once this is done the mouse is brain dead!
the same way you do a rabbit then ? - the screw driver |
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punumbear
Hatchling
United Kingdom
483 Posts |
Posted - 13/05/2010 : 13:31:42
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| After posting this i have spent alot of time ,reading , watching talking to those that know.. it has taken me alot of emails and phone calls to find some nice mice to breed... and hopefully they are being delivered next saturday.... have looked through 1000s of vid and websites about the c02 chamber.. and feel happy that is the best way to go.I am fully aware of how much work this is going to be but main result is aslong as i save on my snakes food bill and the mice have a happy comfortable life whilst taking their turns to breed then thats fine,regardless of theirt intended role they will still be treated in a respectful and caring manner as all my other animals.. ... once all is sorted and action is happening i shall do some pics... |
love my animals more than i like people.
the gang
1 ridgeback
2 kids
1 anery-lil aney
1 m, 4 ft candy cane corn.. aka kellogg..
1 carolina corn-claret/carrot
Newest additon.. f whiteout corn-pastel??
1african house snake - Bob |
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breeding &humane despatch.
