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hiper2009
Banned
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 11/03/2010 : 12:45:10
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Just from looking at the pics , you can see no wire for digital thermo , no probe wire for thermo stat , no bulb guard for the bulb , I suppose your expert told you not to get this ?
With out these things you could seriously injur your snake it can burn its self and before you say your expert says your snakling cant reach the bulb , well they can they are expert climbers !. |
0.0.0 Royal Python Het Pied 100% CB10 - Chaos
1.1.0 Brazilian Rainbow Boa CB10 - Bow/Mayhem
0.1.0 Cornsnake Amel Het Motley CB10 - Fire
1.0.0 Cornsnake Caramel Het Motley CB09 - Whisky
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Jo-And-Danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 12:50:37
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1. you can see from th shadows on th viv we have a bulb guard, th flash on the camera also made the light brighten so imparing the vision
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2. you cant see any wires down the side of the viv because of the angle. theres about 3 wires down there. light, thermostat and heat mat |
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Freddie // Ghost corn
Brittany // Collie cross dog
Billie // BSH Cat
Millie // BSH Cat
Some Tropical Fishiesss
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:01:43
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Lovely looking tank! How big is it may I ask?
And um not to cause any more fights but digital thermometer can just be as inaccurate, especially those that run on batteries. It is often very difficult to get a complete accurate reading but if anyone wants one use lab thermometer. And even then, they can read incorrectly as their life expires. I have a lab thermometer and the same thermometer as shown in the picture from what I can tell and they both read the same temperature, -1, +1 out at times. I doubt that a company specialising in reptiles would make a thermometer that reads drastic incorrect temperatures and if they do, it's probably very noticeable. A reading of -1, +1 isn't really going to effect your snake a great deal if your temperatures are set within the correct range.
I am quite interested in getting a digital thermometer now though as the display will be easier to read... XD |
   
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:22:16
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| How is a digital thermometer as inaccurate as a piece of plastic with a dial? |
9.11 Cornsnakes
1.1 Hogg island boas
1.0 Dwarf Burmese python
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:25:15
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| I got dial therms with my set ups and bought digitals aswell and the digi's show that the one dial was out by 2 and 2 of them were out by between 3 and 4 degrees. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
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Jo-And-Danny
Hatchling
United Kingdom
310 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 14:48:41
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The viv is 3ft long, 2ft high and 2 ft wide 
All thermometers can go wrong indeed, ours at work have to be caliberated every day to make sure theyre correct |
~The Zoo~
Freddie // Ghost corn
Brittany // Collie cross dog
Billie // BSH Cat
Millie // BSH Cat
Some Tropical Fishiesss
Wish List......
Another doggy
Royal Python (norm or pastel)
More Fishiesss!! |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 15:37:44
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
How is a digital thermometer as inaccurate as a piece of plastic with a dial?
Well, if they are running low on power I imagine they can read the wrong temperature and there can be some manufacturer errors. |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:04:20
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
How is a digital thermometer as inaccurate as a piece of plastic with a dial?
Well, if they are running low on power I imagine they can read the wrong temperature and there can be some manufacturer errors.
But none the less the majority of the time are accurate to within around 0.5 degrees and are more accurate than the dial therms. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3070 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:05:14
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Originally posted by Jo-And-Danny
The viv is 3ft long, 2ft high and 2 ft wide
All thermometers can go wrong indeed, ours at work have to be caliberated every day to make sure theyre correct
But still digi's are better than dials and the dial you have 1 foot above the floor isn't doing anything for you. |
0.0.1 Ghost Corn - Casper
0.0.1 Diffused Corn - Reggie
0.0.1 Amel Corn - Candy A.K.A Baby
1.0 Commom BCI - Rocky
0.1 Japanese Akita - Sasha
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 11/03/2010 : 16:41:22
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Originally posted by DannyBrown91
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
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Originally posted by SexyBear77
How is a digital thermometer as inaccurate as a piece of plastic with a dial?
Well, if they are running low on power I imagine they can read the wrong temperature and there can be some manufacturer errors.
But none the less the majority of the time are accurate to within around 0.5 degrees and are more accurate than the dial therms.
And I don't doubt that. What I was trying to get at was that most reasonable dial therms shouldn't be off that much in temperature and if they are off, they should only be off by 1 and that any thermometer kind can read incorrectly.I myself am interested in getting a digital thermometer as it will be easier to read than having to stand in the right place and look into the viv to see the tempature. If you did have a digital themoter does the readout go inside or outside. I imagine outside as if it were inside it the snake could crawl on it and knock it off |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 12/03/2010 : 04:05:08
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I tend to think that everyone has given their views on the need for accurate thermometers (and might I add that Jo-and-Danny did say they were going to get a digital one).
I think that majority of us agree that while we can supposedly try and imitate life in the wild for our corns, our corns are not in the wild and therefore we need to provide an environment that is safe and, not only makes-do for the snake, but provide the best for the snake - they are our responsibility.
It is a known fact that heat mats and stats malfunction and that, in itself, is a reason for getting a digital thermometer than can accurately measure the temperature that the probe for the stat is measuring. It is also necessary for the temperature to be measured at the point where the snake will be getting its heat - substrate level and not the ambient temperature. In the wild the snake would have a whole area to escape from heat or cold and allow them to thermoregulate, whereas our snakes have only a limited space that is not enough for them to thermoregulate properly if the temps in their viv are not what they need them to be.
Jo-and-Danny - I must admit that you have mentioned this 'expert' a number of times, in conjunction with advice that a number of us has found questionable and said so at the time. I would have thought that with the number of experienced owners who have commented about this it would have made you stop and think. He may have 20yrs experience with the RSPCA, but that is probably with a number of animals and not with actually caring for reps for long periods of time.
I am not sure if you are still housing the hatchlings together, but if you are - The problem is that you are not experienced enough to necessarily see the signs of stress before it is too late. I know you have read the co-habiting topic and it may seem that they are living happily together at the moment, but that can change in the matter of a second - with horrific results - or over a slow period of time.....when what you see as them cuddling together is them competing for the best spot in the viv or with one of them being more nervy or smaller than it should be even if it is eating. You have no idea how different and better their lives would be if they were apart. You go on about how it would be in the wild.....but in the wild corn snakes live separately and would only come together to mate, so why are yours in the same viv when they would not be living together in the wild?
Hiper - you should not make assumptions from just what you can see in a pic....you should have asked whether they had a light guard not just assumed they didnt. And the same about the mat and stat - just cos you cant see the wires doesnt mean they are not there.
Can I just remind people that we need to respect other members of the forum....it may be that we give advice and people choose not to follow it, but at the end of the day that is their choice and we cannot badger them into doing it 'our way'. All we can do is suggest what we see as 'best practice' regarding the care of the snakes and the decision whether to follow that advice is down to the OP.
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(Staple - your question regarding the digital thermometer's placing. I have mine inside the viv lying in the corner on the top of the substrate and the snakes just slide around them and over them without it being a problem.) |
  
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