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 Posted - 04/12/2009 : 12:52:57
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hi again
I fed elmo 2 pinkies on 1st as instructed by the guy who sold him to me. Elmo fed really well and after a while buried himself in the cold end of the viv. He stayed there until last night and this morning i found what i believe to be the two pinkies, very mummified and smelly. Is this due to not digesting the food because he stayed in the cold end? also when should i attempt to feed again. He seems absolutely fine he follows me when I'm near the glass but I haven't taken him out yet as tonight was supposed to be the night when i would handle him. |
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casper
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 13:07:59
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Hi,
We could do with some more information please.
What is your set up like, temps, when did you get him and did you leave him to settle in, has he regurg'ed before etc! The more info the better :-)!
I would leave him for 9-10 days before trying to feed him again, this will then allow time for him to create more digestive stomach juices! |
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HannahB
The Corn Snake Moderator
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 13:36:45
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Like casper said we could do with a bit of extra info..
how were the pinkies defrosted?
what is the temp in your warm end and is it on a stat?
leave him for a week or so and then try him again,  |
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kizzig
Yearling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 13:51:09
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We've had a regurge from Ziggy. He also slept on the cold side for a day following feeding, and regurged one of the two pinks. We now put him directly into his warm hide following feeds and there have been no more episodes of this.
It seems that he was just a bit dense and needed pointing in the right direction!
Some further info as the other have suggested would also help though. Good luck! |
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 14:42:21
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| ok thanks for the help, viv is a small plastic one with brown slatted lid, heat mat covers just under half, temp is in the correct zone between 70 - 80. Pinkies were thawed for a couple of hours then warmed for a few mins in warm water. Is it ok to handle elmo and then try feeding him again in a week? We had him a week before feeding, settling in period etc. thanks for the help. |
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casper
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 16:43:14
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The temps seem a little low to allow your snake to thermoregulate properly! You should be aiming for a cold end temp of 70 deg.F and a hot end temp of around 86 deg.F. This will then provide a gradient through this range across the middle of the faun.
Do you have a hide in each end of the faun, one in the cold end and one in the hot end?
It might be worth trying to put your snake in the hot end after its fed and encourage it to use the hot hide, as suggested above!
Do you regulate your heat mat using a thermostat? This will allow you to adjust your temps a bit more accurately!
It seems like it could be a temp issue that has caused the regurge! Hopefully upping the hot end temps a little will stop this next time :-)!
Try not to panic, I know its hard because you care, but corns are pretty hardy, LOL!
It will be fine to pick him up before the next feed, just remember to leave the feeding for about 9-10 days!
I hope this helps and the next feed goes ok! Keep us posted! |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 19:45:42
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Originally posted by logan
temp is in the correct zone between 70 - 80.
Is it ok to handle elmo and then try feeding him again in a week?
temps are way too low, you need to read the caresheet on here
and no don't handle until you've had a successful feed and DO wait 10 days before trying again, to give his digestive system time to recover enough to digest his next meal. waiting 10 days is nothing, really.
regurge is commonly caused by incorrect set-up, particularly temperatures, stress, and handling too soon (within 48 hours) of a feed............ |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
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Posted - 04/12/2009 : 20:44:54
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Logan - GP is the most experienced health expert we have on this forum, so do as she suggest cos she knows best. I know it is her I would turn to straight away if Kellog was ill.
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casper
Snake Mite
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 11:25:37
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I didn't know it was not a good idea to hold them after a regurge and before the next feed! Hey you learn something new everyday :-)!
Defo take GP's advice, she know's her stuff and her advice has helped me no end in the past! |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 12:51:57
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*blushes* thanks guys! 
as one of the common reasons for regurge is stress, and handling can cause stress even if not outwardly shown by the snake, it's best avoided if possible. the snake just needs to be kept calm and quiet, and husbandry/set-up problems rectified, time for the gut flora to balance out (takes about as i posted earlier) and then you should have a successful feed. |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 05/12/2009 : 17:27:45
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GP, theyr'e only telling the truth.
Psstt.. how much and how many snakes are you giving them?? I want in.
All what i'd have said has been said above, i can only back what theyv'e all said is 101% right thing to do. ;) |
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Posted - 06/12/2009 : 16:02:30
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| hi again, thanks for all the help. The set up we got was a hatchling set up and we set everything up as it instructed. There is no thermostat on the heat mat so could someone post me a link for the correct type please. The viv is 35cm x 23cm x 17cm. thanks |
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Posted - 06/12/2009 : 16:22:21
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| just to add after reading more on the heatmat (habisat) will adding a thermostat do anything to make the viv warmer? isnt the heat mat as hot as it is going to get? Maybe my thermometer sucks because the viv is quite small and the heatmat should be keeping it warm enough, or so I have been told. I can't help worrying that Im doing stuff wrong =/ |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 07/12/2009 : 19:37:28
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a basic on/off type stat such as a Habistat matstat or Microclimate ministat is fine for heatmats. more expensive and accurate alternatives are available but some of these are better for ceramics or IR or other higher wattage heating methods.
is the heatmat underneath the viv and covering one half to one third of the floor space?
what substrate are you using?
what type of thermometers are you using and where are the situated? |
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Posted - 13/12/2009 : 16:32:10
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| hi again have sorted my temp problem and have fed Elmo, fingers crossed. Thanks for the help and patience you have shown me. ;) |
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Posted - 27/12/2009 : 12:42:45
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| hi elmo regurged again, thats the third time but his viv temp had been constant at 80-84 for around 10 days since getting the sat. We put the viv on polystyrene and i got a digital thermometer that saves high/low temp so i know it has been fine. I havent disturbed him at all after his feed. He is in a quiet spot and I am at a loss as to what to do now. I gave one pinkie 10 days after his last regurge i took it out for 3 hours to thaw put it in warm water to warm up for ten mins. Fed elmo in a tub he strikes and eats instantly and i gently tipped him back in his viv after the lump went down. Am i doing something wrong? There are two caves, one at each end and a branch and a large plastic plant in there so Im not sure if he was in the cold half or the warm half to digest. :( Im so worried. |
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gingerpony
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Posted - 27/12/2009 : 21:49:05
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80-84*F is (i think) about 27-31*C so that should be fine with an on/off stat
persistant regurge, especially if any husbandry issues have been resolved and it STILL happens, is probably best off being looked into by a specialist exotics vet. when was his last successful feed? are you offering the same size pinkies?
how much of the viv floor space does the heatmat cover?
try not to panic just yet though hun, i'd probably try one more feed in another 10 days time but get hold of some ReptoBoost to put in his water in the meantime, it has a probiotic to help settle their gut and to help digestion, energy to keep him going, as well as trace elements and minerals.
if you're stuck just email me on itsGP@hotmail.com  |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
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Posted - 27/12/2009 : 22:56:35
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ok ok hun lol
i was just looking at a greenhouse thermometer that had both scales but quite small increments.... |
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 09:00:44
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| thanks guys and thanks GP. Its been 3days since elmo was fed and so far so good. I plan to handle him later today. I am a very happy newbie, thank you so much for all your help and patience. I am just about to post a couple of pics of Elmo on the photo section if you want to take a look at the little trouble maker lol. |
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DannyBrown91
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 06/01/2010 : 21:25:35
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quote:
Originally posted by HannahB
how were the pinkies defrosted?
What is the best way to defrost them? I have just been defrosting pinkies in warm water untill they are thoroughly thawed and warm.
Glad to hear elmo is keeping his dinner down now. |
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