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Freddiesmum
Sub Adult
1083 Posts |
 Posted - 17/01/2013 : 13:59:48
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Hey guys. I've been doing some reading up on these snakes, and they don't seem to be all that different from corn snakes (husbandry wise!) Can anyone who owns both corns and hognoses confirm this?
I don't think i'll be getting one anytime soon (OH is still getting over the shock of Emmy  ) but maybe nearer the end of the year, or when Emmy has outgrown her faun and is into her big girl viv, it may be an option. |
1.1.0 Corn Snakes, Oscar the Golddust Motley, Emmy the Ultramel Anery
2.0.0 Cats, Yoda and Ed
1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, Masuka
1.0.0 Western Hognose Snake - Hugo |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 17/01/2013 : 14:25:42
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| They are completely different temperament, they require a bit more heat. They can be fussy at time gussy and puffy. They do not grow as big. But they are thicker than corns. They like small enclosures. We have found that they need a higher than room temp ambient. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Freddiesmum
Sub Adult
1083 Posts |
Posted - 17/01/2013 : 14:35:34
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Yeah read that about higher temp, their temperament, size etc.
How do you keep the ambient temp higher than room?
Thanks for replying so quick too  |
1.1.0 Corn Snakes, Oscar the Golddust Motley, Emmy the Ultramel Anery
2.0.0 Cats, Yoda and Ed
1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, Masuka
1.0.0 Western Hognose Snake - Hugo |
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Freddiesmum
Sub Adult
1083 Posts |
Posted - 17/01/2013 : 15:36:23
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| Oh would it be with a ceramic bulb? Sorry if i'm being a bit daft! |
1.1.0 Corn Snakes, Oscar the Golddust Motley, Emmy the Ultramel Anery
2.0.0 Cats, Yoda and Ed
1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, Masuka
1.0.0 Western Hognose Snake - Hugo |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 17/01/2013 : 16:23:53
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| I use a ceramic for my mantids so hero sits near them. X |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Nasicus
Egg
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 17/01/2013 : 22:32:42
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They can range from needing 30c up to 35c, depending on the individual. My adult male likes it nice and toasty at 35c, while my younger male is happy at about 32c. Heatmat and a thermostat is all you need heating wise, as after all, they burrow, and get more heat from their belly than on top from a lamp!
They can be a lot more fussy with their food than corns, who tend to just grab and eat. I reckon it's because they're generally more highly strung, and can take offence at their food, preferring to get into a strop as opposed to eating it. Usually, they'll either calm down after a few seconds and show interest, or you'll need to just leave it in there with them, as they can be quite secretive eaters. Some will just need to be drop fed straight off, not fussing with trying to offer it.
Handling wise, they are quite fun! They'll be happily scooting about one moment, trying to dig into your hand/clothes/carpet, the next they'll spot you looking at them and they'll strop, then they'll go back happily digging! Strops consist of headbutts, hissing, mock striking, flattening their head and neck out like a cobra, clumsily showing off their cobra hood to you whilst moving around you, doing a very good impression of a sidewinder and zooming off in a grump, and of course, playing dead (which, as funny as it is, usually invovled poop and musk, and that STINKS!) Speaking of stink, their poop reeks, so be prepared for that haha!
They don't shed nowhere near as often as corns, doing so maybe 2-4 times a year, depends on growth, age and any damage they may have done to induce shedding.
Males stay much smaller than females, you can keep an adult male in a 9ltr rub, and they do well in them! A small viv will also be fine if you want to show them off, but nothing too big and with lots of cover and hides! Deep substrate too, as they looove to diggy diggy!
Females, getting bigger, will be fine in a 32ltr rub, but I have seen them doing well in a 3ft viv when full grown, so they can be lovely display animals!
Unlike Corns, who are crepuscular (active at dawn and dusk), Hogs are diurnal, active in the day, so you tend to see them out a lot more!
They don't need increased humidity, so treat humidity like corns, and only offer a damp hide if it is a bad shedder, and only during shedding times.
They can be a bit funny with particularly dusty substrates, so if you can get hold of it, Lignocel is great, as it's completely dust free. It's what I use, my local big breeder uses, and John Berry too! Speaking of John, he's recently published the 'Designer Hognose Morphs' book, and whilst it's pricey, is definitely worth a read at some point! Aspen is fine for a substrate, just try get as much dust out as you can before using it. I reckon they're a bit sensitive because they have quite large, open nostrils compared to corns, so more dust can get up there whilst they dig!
Uuuhh, wow, bit of an essay, if I've missed anything out or you have more questions, I'm happy to answer! I'm by no means an expert, but I only keep Hogs and Corns, so I've been comparing them quite a bit haha!
Edit: Spelling! |
Corns:
0.1.0 Snow - Lister
0.1.0 Amel - Psiren
0.1.0 Fire - Cat
1.0.0 Normal - Rimmer
1.0.0 Kinked Butter - Kryten
Hognoses:
1.0.0 Greenphase - Scout
1.0.0 Greenphase - Pyro
0.1.0 Normal - Rocket
Beardie:
1.0.0 Alduin |
Edited by - Nasicus on 17/01/2013 22:34:03 |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2013 : 09:09:17
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| I wouldn't take them as shy feeders personally. All the ones I have seen have either eaten it or left it. Hero will only feed in my hand. And I personally wouldn't keep and adult in a 9ltr rub. But maybe that's personal choice. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2013 : 10:09:26
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| I disagree with only a heat mat and thermostat being needed, that is all you would need if the room you are keeping the hognose in sits at 26-28c. Most peoples houses do not sit at this temperature and most people would keep the hognose in their lounge or bedroom, unless you have a special reptile room that is completely heated. I have to provide extra heating for our hoggie or she will not eat and a good day/night cycle. She is in a large flat faunarium which is inside a wooden viv. She has a heat mat set at 35c and also a normal household light bulb on a dimming stat which keep the ambient at 28c in the cool end and 31c in the warm end. The light is on a timer and comes on at 6:00am and turns off at 10:00pm giving her 16 hours of light. If we reduce the temps or light she will not feed. A lot people do manage to keep their hoggies with just a heat mat throughout the warmer months but then they will brumate the hoggie through the colder months because a hoggie is reluctant to feed at these cooler temperatures. So I would say be prepared to either choose to keep those temperatures up high or to brumate your hoggie. They do have lovely characters no to days are the same with these snakes lol. |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Nasicus
Egg
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2013 : 20:41:06
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@red - Mmmh, I suppose if you do have a particularly cool house then you'd need to provide some extra heat. I've really never bothered with fussing with cool end temps, as my room is never too cold, and I never bother to brumate either, but then mine all eat fine all year round, they might miss the odd week, but it's nothing to worry about. I guess I just keep things simple, and try not to over complicate things, and it works for me. But I do understand what pains they can be to feed, and if your setup works for you, it works for you :)
@Georgina - It's a swinging pendulum with them really, some will be the most hungry, active feeders possible, whilst others will only ever eat under the cover of night lol! Scout used to only feed in my hand, but I didn't particularly like having mouse smeared all over it, so I weaned him over!
And 9ltr is fine, assuming you don't have a rather big male. It's mostly a matter of keeping them happy to feed. Scout originally had half of a 3ft viv, with lots of cover, hides, substrate for digging, but he didn't like it, moved him to a 9ltr, feeds like a piglet :) |
Corns:
0.1.0 Snow - Lister
0.1.0 Amel - Psiren
0.1.0 Fire - Cat
1.0.0 Normal - Rimmer
1.0.0 Kinked Butter - Kryten
Hognoses:
1.0.0 Greenphase - Scout
1.0.0 Greenphase - Pyro
0.1.0 Normal - Rocket
Beardie:
1.0.0 Alduin |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 18/01/2013 : 21:03:25
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| I also need to use a bulb to raise the ambient. I think it's very common to need extra heat. And I personally would advise keeping an adult in a 9ltr. Although it works for you another may need more room. I'd say a male in a 24" viv and a female in a 24-36" viv. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Nasicus
Egg
United Kingdom
74 Posts |
Posted - 19/01/2013 : 00:01:39
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Originally posted by Georgina
I also need to use a bulb to raise the ambient. I think it's very common to need extra heat. And I personally would advise keeping an adult in a 9ltr. Although it works for you another may need more room. I'd say a male in a 24" viv and a female in a 24-36" viv.
I'd adore for Scout to be able to go back into his 1.5ft viv! My point was mostly that 9ltr can work well, especially if you have trouble with them feeding, but I think I must have typed that bit in my head lol  |
Corns:
0.1.0 Snow - Lister
0.1.0 Amel - Psiren
0.1.0 Fire - Cat
1.0.0 Normal - Rimmer
1.0.0 Kinked Butter - Kryten
Hognoses:
1.0.0 Greenphase - Scout
1.0.0 Greenphase - Pyro
0.1.0 Normal - Rocket
Beardie:
1.0.0 Alduin |
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Laws
Yearling
United Kingdom
935 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2013 : 19:23:47
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I have kept my male im a 9 litre rub , he definately has plenty of room . I have my adults females in 24.5 litre rubs again they have plenty of room . I brumated my hogs this year so didnt have to worry about raising their ambients , but i also have a small male this years hatchie and i have made no extra attempts to raise ambients up until now however i have just put an oil rad into the snake room for them as with the snow my house isnt warm enough .
I think nasicus has got it bang on with their temperaments! feeding i find they will literally just eat it whether im watching or not , some of them get hissy at me after they have finshed eating and will mock strike .
Their poo stinks , worse than corns , good lord blugh!! and generally when it comes to feeding and prey size , i would only feed an item as wide as they are , they dont do as well with say the 1.5 x the size like some snakes , best not to push them . At high enough temps and feeding ever 4/5 days they go really fast anyways .
Fantastic little snakeys!! |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 20/01/2013 : 19:34:35
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| Oh I had forgotten about the poo! Hero hasn't eaten for 16 weeks and pooed for the first time since the end of sept today. Jesus it stank!! I forgot about the food size thing. They 'when feeding' love to eat often :) hero is currently on fluffs will eat every 3 days if I let him but he's on every 4. Two more feeds and he will be back on doubles every 5 then once weened off scented food he will go up to smalls on which he will stay for the rest off his life every 4-5 days females will take mediums as adults. I am yet to see an overweight hoggie :) |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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Freddiesmum
Sub Adult
1083 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 11:28:11
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Wow thanks for all the info guys this is great! Will be saving this for the future
They do seem to have great little characters, proper personalities! Been watching some youtube videos of them, adorable! |
1.1.0 Corn Snakes, Oscar the Golddust Motley, Emmy the Ultramel Anery
2.0.0 Cats, Yoda and Ed
1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, Masuka
1.0.0 Western Hognose Snake - Hugo |
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
8403 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 16:13:57
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| Intersting for me too, in all my research no mention of the poo stink lol |
     
0.1.0 Corn - Kellogs
1.0.0 Hognose - Storm
0.1.0 Staffy - Lyla
1.0.0 Spaffy(staffy x springer)-Spyro
1.0.0 Ferret - Peanut R.I.P
0.1.0 Crestie - Fudge. Wish List - Pygmy hedgehog. Tropiocolotes |
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serena_08
Yearling
United Kingdom
784 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 17:26:34
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| Lol SBB! Every animal should come with a poop stink rate! |
1.0.0 Corn: D-Bo (Amel)
1.0.0 Western Hognose: C*ntyB*ll*cks
0.1.0 MBK: Rosa
0.0.1 Leopard Gecko: Zuko
0.0.1 Bearded Dragon: Kobe
0.0.1 Fire Bellied Toad: Snoop
1.1.0 Cats: Penny and Sheldon
1.0.0 Staffy: MooMoo
I intend to live forever. So far, so good. |
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 17:57:35
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| 10/10 for Hoggies! I'm dreading an adult poo! And as they eat so often it's gonna be more frequent! |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 18:48:42
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| Whhhhaaat??? Whay has the stinkiness of their poos not come up before? We are supposed to be getting one soon!! |
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Red123
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2030 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 19:26:39
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| All hoggies should come supplied with a peg for the owners nose |
Corn Snake
, 1.0.0 Amel (Stan),
Royal Pythons
1.0.0 Normal (Nigel)
1.0.0 Albino (Tony)
Boa Constrictor Imperator
0.1.0 (Agatha)Western Hognose
0.1.0 Normal (Stevie)
0.0.1 Schneider Skink (George)
1.0.0 Extreme Blonde Harlequin Crested Gecko (Bert)
4 GALS.
Tarantulas
Red Rump (B. Vagans) Jo.
Chaco Golden Knee (G. pulchripes) Charlie, Greenbottle Blue (C. cyaneopubescens) Gus, Honduran Curly Hair ( B. albopilosum) Titch, Mexican Fire Leg (B. boehmei), Salmon Pink Bird Eater(L. parahybana), Fort Hall Baboon (P. Lugardi) Blanche, Stout Leg Baboon (E. Pachypus) Graham, Chilean Rose (G. Rosea) Glen.
Border collie x (BoB), 2 Cats (Lucky & Dip), 17 Goldfish, and The Dubia Family |
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Freddiesmum
Sub Adult
1083 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 20:17:08
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| haha I'll take note about the smelliness! |
1.1.0 Corn Snakes, Oscar the Golddust Motley, Emmy the Ultramel Anery
2.0.0 Cats, Yoda and Ed
1.0.0 Leopard Gecko, Masuka
1.0.0 Western Hognose Snake - Hugo |
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Laws
Yearling
United Kingdom
935 Posts |
Posted - 21/01/2013 : 21:17:00
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| yup i can normally smell mine when i walk in and they are kept upstairs haha! |
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