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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
 Posted - 11/11/2012 : 18:19:35
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We have moved the bigger two, Pablo (carolina corn) and Vader (MBK) into the viv properly, but little geroge is still in his rub at the top. |
 
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Donnie
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3215 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2012 : 19:49:36
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| Nice looking setups. How come you decided to put the heat mat on the side of the vivs? Do you still get a reasonable temp close to it and how far do you get before the temp drops off quite a bit? Sorry fr all the questions just being nosey as I haven't seen a viv heated like this before. |
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 11/11/2012 : 20:10:19
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we did it due to the advise given by our local shop (Ameyzoo), a snakes instinct is to burrow away from the heat so having it underneath kinda defeats the object, instead of escaping the heat they are directly on top of it and also under the substrate can be a fire hazard (according the manual)...again this is all what he has said to us....temps are good, holding steady, but will let you know about the cooler side gotta get some more thermometers.
I think we need some more plants and things for them to climb on tho :) |
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Simmy_82
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1272 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 10:52:36
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As long as the mat is stat'd it wont be a fire hazard.
The heat mat would be better on the base of the viv and at one end. |
 
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 19:03:14
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| Well thanks for the advice, but we shall see how we do with this method |
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scottishbluebird
it is all my fault
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/11/2012 : 21:35:51
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Can a snake open a water bottle?
And sadly pet even reptile shops can and do give out bad advice |
     
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 21:56:13
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Just a heads up wouldn't it be better to floor mount the mats? Don't Corns source their heat from their underside? I've noticed that my corn lays directly on top of the mat when he looks for heat.
But then again I did see in the heat mat Instructions mention wall mount. Hope you don't take this the wrong way. I'm interested to learn why you decided to wall mount. |
Edited by - Welshlamb on 12/11/2012 21:57:17 |
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 22:27:52
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Not meaning to sound rude, but im going to follow the advice of a professional who has 34 years of experience in this area, we are aware of what temperatures need to be and we are keeping a close eye on their temps, so far so good.
In nature corns will source heat from basking in the sun and will burrow to escape the heat. Therefore, if they burrow towards the heat mat to get away from the heat its the opposite of what their aiming to do lol
As for the fire hazard comment, may i ask what you would expect to happen if the stat broke? Surely this will then be a hazard not only for fire but for then harming your snake? Heat mats work with infra red heat, i.e. the heat will affect anything that touches it, so on a wall it will only benefit the snake and if the stat were to break theres no danger of it warming the substrate to a dangerous level, where if it were under the substrate and the stat were to break, all the heat would be in contact with the substrate causing potential fire risk.
I do not profess to be an expert but i am following the advice of a professional.
There are lots of different ways to heat a viv for a corn e.g. bulbs..so surely if the snake is digesting properly, behaving properly and the temps are correct, is it really that big of an issue how we decide to house our snakes?
I only posted the picture to show our new set up as i was quite pleased and excited about it. |
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 22:29:01
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Originally posted by scottishbluebird
Can a snake open a water bottle?
Oh yeah, we have bought some super mutant ninja corns...:P |
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Donnie
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3215 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 22:33:08
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| I think most if not all stats are designed to fail in the off (if you know what I mean) so to minimise fire and injury to animal risk. |
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huffy_86
Hatchling
United Kingdom
113 Posts |
Posted - 12/11/2012 : 23:13:20
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Don't mean to rain on everyone's parade but does it really matter how a vivarium is heated?
I have seen several methods in which a vivarium is heated. The 3 main criteria as always are that the temperatures are correct, the snake has easy access to these temperatures, and that they are guarded against any possibility of getting burnt. If these are fulfilled then I don't see the problem. Everyone has different preferences and it is interesting to see people experiment with different ideas. After all, they will only have the animals best interests at heart and if the set up wasn't suitable it wouldn't be used!
Why does it seem that everyone is quick to jump to conclusions on what other people are doing just because it's not the norm... it doesn't mean it's wrong! There's no right or wrong way of doing things as long as you can provide the correct housing requirements for your snake.
I'm confident that Raycheroo knows what she's doing and I respect that she's listening to other peoples (ameyzoo) ideas rather than going on just what she thinks is best. I have visited Ameyzoo myself. They have a massive variety of snakes and other reptiles and have won many awards aswell as Mark doing a lot of work with the bbc and other tv production companies as a handler and also to advise. Why is it a lot of people seem to think that the shop they use is the only good one and eveyone else's advice is a crock? Have they visited any of the shops they're commenting on!?
Sorry, rant over!
admin edit, we dont use bad language here thanks, even starred out |
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Edited by - huffy_86 on 12/11/2012 23:17:16 |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 12/11/2012 : 23:58:48
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Ive got no problem with folks doing what they want and if it works happy days.
However some things are just not sitting right with some comments in this thread.
1. substrate isnt a fire hazard you would never reach a temp required to set fire to the substrate.
2 Have never known a snake move away from the heat if that was the case we would never see a snake in their warm hide.
3. Their is no evidence that snakes take the source of heat from their belly as far as im aware generally ambient heat us suitable to heat them.
Finally on mat on the wall my opinion is, oh im not a professional just an experienced keeper, seems like a total waste of energy heat rises it doesn't radiate, unlike bulbs that would radiate and raise the ambient, seems a whole lotta mat doing a whole lotta nothing. Also heating along the back wall means the snake cant really get away from the heat it would have to lay along the front, it couldn't coil as part of it would always be at a warm spot. |
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2012 : 00:24:32
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I never stated the snakes take the heat from their belly. See welshlamb for that.
Seriously, if i asked for your advice on heating my snakes vivs, i would have asked for it. I was merely showing off our snakes and what we have done for them as i was excited...yet i am made to feel like im doing something wrong for listening to a professional handler rather than people on here, whom i have never met or know.
Why pick to pieces my set up? i mean really, because i haven't followed the rules set by this forum that makes me wrong?
I trust our local reptile shop and the advice they give, they have won many awards...so why would he tell me information that would cause me not to use them if it were incorrect?
Also the heat from the heat mat shouldn't be a total waste, heat will rise but given that they heat using infra red then the heat is received more by anything in contact with it rather than being released as ambient heat in the air.
If the issue with fire hazards wasn't the case, then why would the heat mat guide suggest to wall mount the mats? I would rather err on the side of caution thanks
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2012 : 00:32:25
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Originally posted by Raycheroo
I never stated the snakes take the heat from their belly. See welshlamb for that.
i know i never said it was you just some things on the thread didnt ring true is all |
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Lozzy
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1556 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2012 : 01:46:36
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Hate to jump on the band wagon but it can't be all that bad to mount heat mats on the floor if its the way probably 75-80% of reptiles keepers (from newbies all the way to experienced breeders) heat their vivs,and stacks...
I agree with Gmac in thinking its a 'helluva' mat doing not alot and probably using more energy to get the ambient temperatures you want and doesnt really seem leave alot of room to escape it and coil up as snakes lurve doing !
I hope you don't take my comments rudely im more just voicing my opinion, as you do on a forum as i really didn't agree with your comment about them being dangerous when they are on the floor when clearly when used with a working stat its been proved by thousands of people its a perfectly accepted husbandry, infact most care sheets you find tell you to use your mat this way.. |
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a33272
our battery charger
United Kingdom
3063 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2012 : 06:50:44
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A mat mounted on a wall like that is no less a fire hazard than under the substrate. It will just set fire to the side an melt the rub now insteaad.
According to the manual; he told us...... Umm what manual is this he was referring to.
Also habitat mat instructions cleary state the mat can be used under substrate. Al it says is to put no more than 1cm of substrate on it. Also the rule about 1/3-1/2 still applies on wall mounting. Yes there infra red meaning the heat all solid mass. U have mats the full length at the back which means it heating the full length at the front and everything in between. This is why u have a warm and cool side to theremoregulate. This is said and shown in the habitat instructions and not just me having a dig |
    
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Raycheroo
Hatchling
United Kingdom
102 Posts |
Posted - 13/11/2012 : 09:56:03
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Well again thank you for your kind picking of my snakes housing, i shall take it under consideration.....
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