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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/09/2012 : 08:27:52
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Hello,
I'm unsure of the I.D of my Corn. Well I hope it's a corn lol
It's about 15Inch long, how old approx would he/she be?
Sorry If I sound a doughnut, the seller did not disclose any information (only about last feed) and I've been unable to regain contact.
Many Thanks
Moved to Morph section by Kellog, as its a question about what morph  .
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sly
Hatchling
United Kingdom
273 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 10:27:12
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| Looks like a nice anery to me |
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Isoldael
Yearling
Netherlands
999 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 11:32:25
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Yep, definitely anery. I love his asymmetric head pattern :D
Oh, also, if you post a picture of his tail, we might be able to make a guesstimate on the gender. It's never 100% accurate, but it might be an indication :D |
1.0 anery stripe (Nash)
1.0 hypo pewter (Loki)
1.0 bloodred het amel, charcoal, hypo, stripe 50% phet anery, lavender (Kasumi)
0.1 grey background normal het amel (Saphira)
0.1 tessera het amel, anery, stripe (Lilith)
0.1 amel (Aurora)
0.1 hypo bloodred het anery, charcoal, stripe 50% phet amel, lavender (Mara)
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 11:59:01
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Originally posted by Isoldael
Yep, definitely anery. I love his asymmetric head pattern :D
Oh, also, if you post a picture of his tail, we might be able to make a guesstimate on the gender. It's never 100% accurate, but it might be an indication :D
Here's a picture of his tail, would be interesting to see what sex. Thanks for the help
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 12:44:34
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Mike80
Egg
United Kingdom
92 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 13:46:05
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It's difficult to tell age/sex from pictures alone. The size of a snake isn't necessarily a good indicator of age because it can depend what they've been feeding on and how regularly.
There's a good video on youtube about this but I don't have a link I'm afraid. A professional breeder conducted a corn snake feeding experiment and the result was quite something - two snakes from the same clutch were fed differently and ended up being completely different sizes after a few months. The one taking vitamin suppliments and larger food at more regular intervals ended up twice the size of the one being fed smaller food less frequently.
Having said that, my guess would be that yours is clearly very young, only 2-3 months old.
As for sex: I totally expect to be corrected on this but from what I've read a female will have a more gradual taper from body to tail than a male, resulting in a thinner and longer looking tail. This is due to the bulge at the vent caused by the retracted hemipenes in a male, which females lack. My guess (as with the age thing, it really is only a guess) is yours is female, although at a young age it's much harder to tell than after they are sexually mature. Others may have different and more knowledgable opinions.
The only way to tell for sure is to get the little guy popped/probed by a professional.
Oh, and as others have said, he's anery (anerythristic) meaning he lacks the red/orange pigment erythrin.
Sorry for rambling on 
Edited to make it clear that I'm just recycling information and don't definitely know what I'm talking about  |
Wish list: Taiwanese Beauty; Reverse Okeetee. |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 14:39:20
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Originally posted by Mike80
It's difficult to tell age/sex from pictures alone. The size of a snake isn't necessarily a good indicator of age because it can depend what they've been feeding on and how regularly.
There's a good video on youtube about this but I don't have a link I'm afraid. A professional breeder conducted a corn snake feeding experiment and the result was quite something - two snakes from the same clutch were fed differently and ended up being completely different sizes after a few months. The one taking vitamin suppliments and larger food at more regular intervals ended up twice the size of the one being fed smaller food less frequently.
Having said that, my guess would be that yours is clearly very young, only 2-3 months old.
As for sex: I totally expect to be corrected on this but from what I've read a female will have a more gradual taper from body to tail than a male, resulting in a thinner and longer looking tail. This is due to the bulge at the vent caused by the retracted hemipenes in a male, which females lack. My guess (as with the age thing, it really is only a guess) is yours is female, although at a young age it's much harder to tell than after they are sexually mature. Others may have different and more knowledgable opinions.
The only way to tell for sure is to get the little guy popped/probed by a professional.
Oh, and as others have said, he's anery (anerythristic) meaning he lacks the red/orange pigment erythrin.
Sorry for rambling on
Edited to make it clear that I'm just recycling information and don't definitely know what I'm talking about
Wow! Thanks for the info. Oh well we called her George but for now we will call her Georgie lol.
I have seen tutorials on popping, but I would never risk doing it as do not want to cause any harm. Plus vets would most likely charge the earth.
I'm not very knowledgeable about reptiles, but would females lay unfertilised eggs at some point? Or would it have to be a case of them meeting a mate?
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claire_daz
Hatchling
United Kingdom
412 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 14:58:18
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Your local reptile shop would be able to sex your sex when it is about 6 months old. Do you have any idea of its weight and lenght  |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 15:26:52
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Originally posted by claire_daz
Your local reptile shop would be able to sex your sex when it is about 6 months old. Do you have any idea of its weight and lenght
Yeah I wouldn't use my local reptile shop. I don't like the way they keep them and various other things. I always shop online, or travel further a field.
She / He is around 1.3 feet long although she not very co-operative, unfortunately I don't have sensitive enough scales for weighing her.
But she is so tame and friendly, had no problems. Although I'm doubtful she would bite at this size anyway?
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Mike80
Egg
United Kingdom
92 Posts |
Posted - 09/09/2012 : 15:56:51
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Originally posted by Welshlamb
Although I'm doubtful she would bite at this size anyway?
Usually if a corn's going to bite, it'll be at that age, when they're very young and haven't been tamed. They almost always calm down over time, but they're not exactly aggressive snakes to start with lol. I've never met anyone who ended up with an aggressive corn, and most corns will never strike if they're kept and handled properly.
The only time mine ever struck at me was when she was very young, about 3-4 months old. I put my hand in her viv to change the water and felt something tap my wrist. I looked down and she was sitting next to the water bowl, under some foliage, glaring at me and rattling her tail, clearly unimpressed with having been disturbed
I didn't even realise she'd done it until I looked down and saw how angry she was. It was then that I thought ''hmm, that gentle tapping on the side of my wrist must have been her striking at me...''
She never did it again, grew up to be very tame.
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Wish list: Taiwanese Beauty; Reverse Okeetee. |
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Isoldael
Yearling
Netherlands
999 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2012 : 09:30:30
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This pic is originally meant for probing, but it also shows the difference in tail shape and length:
Males have longer, more slender tails that taper gradually from a wide base. Females have shorter tails that taper more abruptly from a relatively narrower base.
It's all very relative and inaccurate, but it gives you an idea of your snake's gender :) |
1.0 anery stripe (Nash)
1.0 hypo pewter (Loki)
1.0 bloodred het amel, charcoal, hypo, stripe 50% phet anery, lavender (Kasumi)
0.1 grey background normal het amel (Saphira)
0.1 tessera het amel, anery, stripe (Lilith)
0.1 amel (Aurora)
0.1 hypo bloodred het anery, charcoal, stripe 50% phet amel, lavender (Mara)
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Mike80
Egg
United Kingdom
92 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2012 : 12:25:05
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I was expecting to be corrected on the tail/gender thing. Seems I was half right about males having a wider tail base due to the hemipenes, but ultimately wrong regarding male/female tail length. Thanks for the pic Isoldael
Isoldael, is it correct that probing is only accurate after the snake reaches sexual maturity? |
Wish list: Taiwanese Beauty; Reverse Okeetee. |
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Welshlamb
Yearling
United Kingdom
711 Posts |
Posted - 10/09/2012 : 17:50:12
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Originally posted by Mike80
I was expecting to be corrected on the tail/gender thing. Seems I was half right about males having a wider tail base due to the hemipenes, but ultimately wrong regarding male/female tail length. Thanks for the pic Isoldael
Isoldael, is it correct that probing is only accurate after the snake reaches sexual maturity?
So would this make 'George' a male from the image? |
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Isoldael
Yearling
Netherlands
999 Posts |
Posted - 11/09/2012 : 13:17:58
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Originally posted by Mike80
Isoldael, is it correct that probing is only accurate after the snake reaches sexual maturity?
I have no clue at all on probing. The only reason I happen to know this tail method, is that I'm in a group of volunteers that helps preserve grass snakes in the wild in the netherlands. We use tail length + shape to guess the gender of the snakes, to get an idea of the population :). It seems to be exactly the same for grass snakes and corn snakes :) |
1.0 anery stripe (Nash)
1.0 hypo pewter (Loki)
1.0 bloodred het amel, charcoal, hypo, stripe 50% phet anery, lavender (Kasumi)
0.1 grey background normal het amel (Saphira)
0.1 tessera het amel, anery, stripe (Lilith)
0.1 amel (Aurora)
0.1 hypo bloodred het anery, charcoal, stripe 50% phet amel, lavender (Mara)
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vector200066
Hatchling
United Kingdom
232 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2013 : 19:58:01
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0.1 Corn Snake (Megan) Collected my first snake on 27/7/13
2.0 Brother (Jason)(Shaun R.I.P), 0.1 Sister (Samantha), 3.0 Budgies (Joey R.I.P,Freddie,Leo, Casper), 0.3 Dogs (Judy, Penny, Molly), 1.0 Cats (Tabs R.I.P, Timmy) 1.0 Royal Python (Lesser) Busby |
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Lee
Yearling
United Kingdom
522 Posts |
Posted - 16/06/2013 : 22:07:14
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males apparently have between 70 and 80 PAIRS of subcaudal scales while females have between 59 and 70, but you just try to count them ha ha
Very nice looking snake though. |
1.2.4 Corn Snakes - Carolina, 2 x Bloodred het Lavender, Amel, Snow, Anery and Carolina.
0.0.1 Cali King - Ziggy - escaped!!
RIP Princess x |
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Kellog
the nice one
United Kingdom
7308 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2013 : 08:15:55
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George/Georgie is a lovely little anery . They are such a beautiful morph, with so many variations.
The telling the sex by tail length/width/shape is very difficult and if you don't have a snake of the opposite sex and the exact same size (which is virtually impossible) to compare it with then I would think its fairly hard to do. Snakes do grow at such different rates, even when they're from the same clutch and fed exactly the same. You can see that in the How big should my snake be? thread.
As for scale counting, you could do it from a shed but again it's not accurate. All you do is count the scales from vent to tail tip. Count one row of scales then double it. If the number is over 140 the snake is most likely a male. If the number is under 130 it is most likely a female. If between 130 and 140 then it isn't possible to tell using this method.
A snake can be probed from about 4 months old I think. I'm very much of the opinion that its not necessary to know a snake's sex, unless you're planning on breeding of course. I know some people like to know but I don't want to put my snakes through the stress of the journey and the procedure itself....and the risk of injury if it goes wrong  . There is also the fact that it isn't 100% correct. The one snake I did get probed, because I had to take it into our local reptile shop as it had a lump, I was told was male. A couple of months later I found a clutch of eggs  ! Definitely NOT male .
And that answers your question about whether females lay infertile eggs. Yes, they are called slugs. There is nothing you can do to stop it happening but not all females will do it. I can't be sure but I am guessing that the majority don't.
Hope that's covered everything .
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smart bunny
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
5091 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2013 : 19:31:56
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NexivRed
Yearling
United Kingdom
551 Posts |
Posted - 17/06/2013 : 22:31:45
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| That's happening a lot lately! |
R.I.P. 0.1: CB10 Ophion - pewter masque het amel
1.0: CB10 lavender stripe het ??? - Alabaster (Bats) Codify
0.1: CB12 hypo plasma het amel - Nebula
0.2: CB13 diffused 66% pos het cinder - Demeter (Mimi) & Bombulurina (Reenie)
1.0: CB13 hypo cinder ?% pos het amel stripe - Huckleberry
0.1: CB13 anery aztec het amel - Tetris
1.0: CB13 gold dust motley stripe - Helios |
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