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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 03/06/2012 : 23:37:54
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So, I hope i dont sound daft asking this, as ive only ever dealt with normal patterned corns..
Just wondering, do the genes that determine the pattern work in the same way as the genes for colour..
ie, is the normal saddle mark pattern dominant to stripe and motley..
and can they be het for certain patterns...
are there more patterns than normal, stripe and motley?
any more info on it would be much appriciated.
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0.1.0 Normal (Espher)
1.0.0 Snow (Midnight)
2 GALS
1 rat (Jasper)
1 very needy staffy (Coco)
Location: Ossett
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
2382 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 23:52:36
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| have a look through ians vivarium there are a few different ones. one dominant tesserra. |
1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey) |
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 03/06/2012 : 23:56:43
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normal pattern is dominant over motley and stripe, yes you can get het motley and het stripe you can also get het motley stripe which generally gives some nice visual patterns usually looking like a stripe.
there is also aztec pattern or some call it zig zag |
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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
849 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 00:07:31
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ah i see :)
So if i were to buy a stripe female, my only hope for stripe hatchies is if my male (normal pattern) is het for stripe.
Is the aztec pattern a cross between two patterns or a new pattern in its own right?
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1 rat (Jasper)
1 very needy staffy (Coco)
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oakleyman18
Yearling
828 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 09:30:08
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Het stripe or visual stripe, yes  Either should produce stripes. But if you already have a male, then yes he would have to be het stripe for them to produce stripes. But there's no way of knowing I'm afraid unless you know the parents lineage! |
Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst" |
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Dancross0
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1315 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 09:57:11
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Originally posted by QueenVic
ah i see :)
So if i were to buy a stripe female, my only hope for stripe hatchies is if my male (normal pattern) is het for stripe.
Is the aztec pattern a cross between two patterns or a new pattern in its own right?
Also, if your male is het for motley, you will get some motleys out as well. Motley is codominant with stripe.
The aztec and zigzag patterns are selectively bred, where the saddle pattern on each side of the snake dosn't line up properly... |
Aguna CB11 Anery - Typhon CB12 Amber - Plissken CB08 Carolina - Iara CB11 Caramel
Indra CB12 Lavender (?) - Evren CB12 Carolina (?) - Ophis CB11 Hypo Lavender - Sirae CB11 Ghost Motley
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
5319 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 15:29:30
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| you wont get genetic motleys if you breed with a het motley stripe x stripe just possibly visual in appearance |
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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
849 Posts |
Posted - 04/06/2012 : 17:47:05
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Ah i see.. i think! lol
Im going to get a visual stripe and cross my fingers that my male is het, i guess ill see :)
Thanks for the info people.
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 05/06/2012 : 12:12:34
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you've got loooooooooads of choice! 
Corn snake patterns:
Motley - recessive to normal, allelic to and dominant over stripe (meaning a het motley het stripe looks motley)
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/motley
Stripe - recessive to normal, allelic and recessive to motley
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/stripe
Diffused - recessive to normal
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/diffused
Sunkissed - recessive to normal (SK has one or two effects, either pattern modifier or pattern modifier and hypo effect)
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/sunkissed
Palmetto - recessive to normal
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/palmetto
Terrazo - recessive to normal
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/terrazzo
Tessera - dominant over normal (means a het tessera looks like a tessera)
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/tessera
Masque - dominant over normal (once thought to be caused by being 'het diffused')
Zigzag - polygenetic selectively bred - cannot be het zigzag
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/zigzag
Aztec - polygenetic selectively bred - cannot be het aztec
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/zigzag
Banded - polygenetic selectively bred motley - cannot be het banded, only motley
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/banded
Hurricane - polygenetic selectively bred motley - cannot be het hurricane, only motley
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/hurricane
Pinstripe - polygenetic selectively bred motley - cannot be het pinstripe, only motley
Q Tip - polygenetic selectively bred motley - cannot be het q-tip, only motley
Cube - polygenetic selectively bred stripe - cannot be het cube, only stripe
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/cube
Sunspot - polygenetic selectively bred stripe - cannot be het sunspot, only stripe
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/sunspot
Vanishing (Patternless) - polygenetic selectively bred stripe - cannot be het vanishing, only stripe
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/vanishing_stripe
*Masque, q-tip and pinstripe still need adding to the morph guide at IV
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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
849 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2012 : 01:36:17
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Jeez, didn't realise there were so many.
Never heard of Masque, strange that its dominant over normal!!
Just had a look and I like the pattern it gives their heads :D very nice, but its not that different to normals really lol, still nice though.
Too much choice hahaha, I think ill stick with getting a stripe to find out if my male is het for it :) |
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
849 Posts |
Posted - 06/06/2012 : 12:28:09
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Ah I see.
I can see why it was thought to be to do with diffused then, with the head pattern like on bloodreds.
I had no idea there were so many patterns lol |
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