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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2331 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  19:42:22  Show Profile  Visit paulie78's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Hi guys myself and a few other peoiple from here have been trying to id a friends corn she was sold it as a miami so we all started posting pics of our carolinas for comparison as hers looks a bit normal.
However i threw a bit of a spanner in the works with some conflicting photos of Artemis she looks normal in one but sorta miami ish in the others i dont really care which she is i love her anyway but what do you think ?

Miami ?


Carolina ?


Miami ?



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Auld Baldy
Ikea's Pimp

United Kingdom
1619 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  20:14:43  Show Profile  Visit Auld Baldy's Homepage  Reply with Quote
This is the same conflict I have with Woody. He has the same rich brown with black shadowing as your Artemis. The difference between the saddles on the Miami is a silvery grey, as with Taggart.

I'd say Artemis is more Carolina because of the light tan/ orange on the saddle background and sides. The Miami is much greyer.

The Miami and Carolina are just locality variations of a Normal/ Common/ Standard Corn but maybe she's a Caroliami.

My vote is Carolina.

PS. Compare with the update pics I posted the other day. You can see the similarities with Woody and the difference to Big T.
http://www.thecornsnake.co.uk/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=21752


1.0.0: Miami Normal: Taggart
0.0.1: Carolina Normal: Wee Woody
0.0.1: Grey Rat Snake: Mirkey
0.0.1: Amel Corn: Blaze
1.0.0: Carpet Python: Vambo
0.0.1: MBK: Fester
0.0.1: Florida King Snake : Rattler (Rattle & Hum)
0.0.1. California King Snake: El Diablo Diego
0.2.0 Tarantulas : Ermintrude & Euphemia.

Edited by - Auld Baldy on 03/02/2012 20:32:37
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Katie.Dublin
Sub Adult

Ireland
1560 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  21:02:47  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Miami i would think


0.1 normal (Miami) - Hugo
0.1 hypo Motley - Spunky
0.1 MBK - Tequila. RIP
Horses, bearded dragons, a red tailed boa constrictor, a tortoise, a cat and a dog
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LarkaDawg
Hatchling

442 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  21:51:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
My vote is Carolina, and a pretty one at that
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Katie.Dublin
Sub Adult

Ireland
1560 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  22:12:04  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
http://iansvivarium.com/morphs/species/elaphe_guttata/miami/


0.1 normal (Miami) - Hugo
0.1 hypo Motley - Spunky
0.1 MBK - Tequila. RIP
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eeji
The Morph Master

United Kingdom
4335 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  23:09:14  Show Profile  Visit eeji's Homepage  Reply with Quote
maybe she's a regular wild type cornsnake that may have some ancestry in florida lines? There is so much variation its unbelievable, and genuine locality miamis can still show orange and genuine locality carolinas can still show greys.

I think people worry too much about labelling normals as anything else.


Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2331 Posts

Posted - 03/02/2012 :  23:51:11  Show Profile  Visit paulie78's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Personally i think shes probably just a pretty carolina as i said i dont care we were all just trying to help id a friends snake by comparison lol shes MY snake thats all i care about lol obviously i try to get as much info as i can when i buy new additions but as already pointed out their are so many locality differences now its hardly an exact science.


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nickyff
Yearling

507 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  00:28:09  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
halfway between would be georgia...... can we invent a new morph? a georgia corn- the one you're just not sure about????

sharon's one... but still a wormy squiggle atm so god knows what'll happen through the next few sheds...

and you thought there was no such thing as a stupid question....



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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2331 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  00:32:02  Show Profile  Visit paulie78's Homepage  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by nickyff

halfway between would be georgia...... can we invent a new morph? a georgia corn- the one you're just not sure about????

sharon's one... but still a wormy squiggle atm so god knows what'll happen through the next few sheds...




Lmao i like that a georgia corn so henceforth any that we are dubious about shall be known as georgia corns lol


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Dancross0
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1315 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  00:47:37  Show Profile  Visit Dancross0's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Plissken is so Carolina he's sponsored by Nascar....



Aguna CB11 Anery - Typhon CB12 Amber - Plissken CB08 Carolina - Iara CB11 Caramel

Indra CB12 Lavender (?) - Evren CB12 Carolina (?) - Ophis CB11 Hypo Lavender - Sirae CB11 Ghost Motley


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nickyff
Yearling

507 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  01:39:46  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
laffs- plissken is so handsome he can be anything he says he is

and you thought there was no such thing as a stupid question....



1.2.0 corns: captain haddock, sharon the tiddler and Darling Debbie. plus 0.2.0 cali kings: spot and Numpty... not forgetting the delightful Miss Lovely-Gonzalez-La-Poop apricot pueblan milk snake, and we all miss the Lodger who thought he was a cobra....
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Simmy_82
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1272 Posts

Posted - 04/02/2012 :  22:18:32  Show Profile  Click to see Simmy_82's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Carolina i'd say. It has orange between the saddles. Miami's don't.


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CentricMalteser85
Banned Again

United Kingdom
131 Posts

Posted - 05/02/2012 :  02:34:00  Show Profile  Visit CentricMalteser85's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Miami

I have a carolina, and they tend to be more orange when the light faded brown is on the body of yours
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler

United Kingdom
6129 Posts

Posted - 05/02/2012 :  09:10:37  Show Profile  Click to see Sta~ple's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
It's a normal :) The variation though is amazing though.



A very special super, duper thanks for K :3
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Emmy1
Yearling

707 Posts

Posted - 05/02/2012 :  14:04:50  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Not Miami in my opinion. Looks like a carolina just with a more rustic colouration to it.



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1.0.0 Normal Western Hognosed Snake
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oakleyman18
Yearling

828 Posts

Posted - 05/02/2012 :  15:44:32  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
The front end looks especially Carolina to me..? But as Eeji says, there's so much varation in colours that most things overlap, so if I had to go with something, I'd say carolina, as it's not quite as clear cut grey and brick red as I'd expect to see, but it's all good



Oscar Morrell
0.1.0. Tessera het Caramel Diffused Hypo ph Amel Anery CB'12 "Cassi", 0.1.0. Diffused Powder CB'12 "Ruby"
0.1.0. Normal Stripe, het Hypo, Amel, Lavender CB'11 "Amber", 1.0.0. Lavender Stripe het Diffused Anery Amel Hypo CB'11 "Pluto"
1.0.0. Hypo Opal Ph Stripe CB'12 "Hops", 1.0.0. Caramel Stripe het Amel CB'08 "Jasper", 1.0.0. Opal Stripe het Anery CB'09 "Topaz"
0.1.0. Amel Stripe het Caramel CB'09 "Poppy", 0.1.0. Tessera het Amel Lavender Stripe ph Diffused Hypo Anery CB'12 "Amethyst"
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paulie78
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2331 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2012 :  17:25:01  Show Profile  Visit paulie78's Homepage  Reply with Quote
LOl thanks for the info guys you can see how she divided opinion in the group lol i have her listed in my records as carolina as thats what she was sold to me as i dont really care what she is to be honest shes mine and aint going nowhere lol


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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
3796 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2012 :  19:12:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Deffo normal to me.

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smiffy89
Hatchling

United Kingdom
342 Posts

Posted - 06/02/2012 :  19:13:42  Show Profile  Click to see smiffy89's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
a cross between both......saves any arguing lol
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