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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  18:42:16  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
So he seem to think they are have the age ge there shop said they were so they hve new approx bdays. So he probed them and said he was 80% sure midnight is a girl and lightning is a boy, so I have whle new set up coming, should be here Monday. :) he didn't charge because he couldn't be sure and he said to take them back when they get bigger and he will charge us then: )

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)

mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
2901 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:03:44  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Its almost impossible to work out how old a snake is by its size and weight, i had a ghost that was 12 months old and would easily pass for 2 years, i also have a royal that would pass for 6 months old, but is 3 years old, so unless you have the details from the breeder, its a bit of a guessing game.
As for the sexes, at the sizes they are, they should be pretty easy to do, they dont have the muscle mass to stop the probe and get a false female, and you cant really get a false male without lots of blood! post a pic of the tail, from the vent down on the bottom, no matter what anyone says, it is possible to sex them visually a lot of the time.

Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:05:36  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
Sorry about the grammar guys, new tablet pc, still getting used to the touch screen.

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:29:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote


best i could get

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
4334 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:39:24  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I'll take a crack at this game, more mass in the tail after the vent in the bottom picture so I'd say that's your male, the one with the very skinny tail and immediate thinning out after the vent in the top pic, female.

Though Mike is the expert round these parts (the forum)

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Giant Asian Forest Scorpion, SALLY.
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:45:23  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
any more guesses i might make another topic and see how many people guess it, to see who gets it right.

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler

United Kingdom
6129 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:48:08  Show Profile  Click to see Sta~ple's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
Both the same as that's how things work :p



A very special super, duper thanks for K :3
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  22:59:53  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
they are both defo different sexes

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler

United Kingdom
6129 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  23:11:00  Show Profile  Click to see Sta~ple's MSN Messenger address  Reply with Quote
But the vet said he didn't know for sure :p



A very special super, duper thanks for K :3
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Georgina
Fully Grown Corn

United Kingdom
2382 Posts

Posted - 20/01/2012 :  23:14:13  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
true, but the results were completly different, one probe went in about 5mm the other went in about 15mm

1.0 western hognose (hero)
1.0 phantom reverse pin dal brindle crested gecko (goyle)
0.2 red dal red harly (sprite) 99% full pin Harley crested gecko (TuLong)
0.0.3 miomantis paykullii
0.0.3 Bombina orientalis (oriental fire bellied toad)
0.3 fancy mice (snap, crackle and pop)
1.0 yorkshire terrier (jasper)
2.1 cats (echo, shadow and pokey)
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
2901 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  10:27:48  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
I am tempted to agree with the vet, its really difficult to see on these two, i cant say for sure without having a good look at them in person!

Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1504 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  11:12:07  Show Profile  Send marc_sg an AOL message  Reply with Quote
with the probes i wud have said they wud have been acurate. 5mm being the male and 15mm being the female are they too big to pop


0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal

R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
2901 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  11:45:22  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by marc_sg

with the probes i wud have said they wud have been acurate. 5mm being the male and 15mm being the female are they too big to pop



Nope, its the other way round, the deeper probe is the male, the shallow the female.
It is possible to get a false female as sometimes they clench, stopping the probe, although sometimes you can feel the difference between a clench and the base of the cloaca.
Sometimes, on occasion you can get the male to pop straight after being probed.
To get a false male, you end up doing quite a lot of damage to the females cloaca, and you need to put a fair bit of pressure on, which you should never do when probing anyway.

Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1504 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  18:07:03  Show Profile  Send marc_sg an AOL message  Reply with Quote
funny you say that after i pressed post i thought to myself i think its the other way round lol


0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal

R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
2901 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  18:43:06  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by marc_sg

funny you say that after i pressed post i thought to myself i think its the other way round lol



lol, always the way!

Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1504 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  18:47:03  Show Profile  Send marc_sg an AOL message  Reply with Quote
makes u look worse ans ****y when u get it wrong thou but hay ill remember it for next time


0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal

R.I.P SHELLY
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CentricMalteser85
Banned Again

United Kingdom
131 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  19:16:16  Show Profile  Visit CentricMalteser85's Homepage  Reply with Quote
Judging on tale shape, top is a male, and bottom pic is a female

If the probes are 5mm and 15mm this is considerable difference, and would say that it is more like 99.9% sure that these are accurate
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!

United Kingdom
2901 Posts

Posted - 21/01/2012 :  21:59:56  Show Profile  Reply with Quote
quote:
Originally posted by marc_sg

makes u look worse ans ****y when u get it wrong thou but hay ill remember it for next time



I wouldnt worry about it tbh, there are plenty who make a habit out of being wrong, and still try and convince people they are right!

Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult

United Kingdom
1504 Posts

Posted - 22/01/2012 :  10:46:37  Show Profile  Send marc_sg an AOL message  Reply with Quote
i do try not to get info wrong never want to miss lead spme one i wudnt want it done to me


0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal

R.I.P SHELLY
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