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smiffy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 17/11/2011 : 14:13:22
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Was looking at a RI treatment with vics n essential oils.
put your snake in a container with smale holes in the sides to allow air flow through it and secure he lid then place it inside another solid container twice the size then place a bowl or jug of boiling hot water inside then add a blob of vapour rub and a few drops of essential oils then place a lid on 2nd container leave for 5 mins remove lid and check your snake and if all is ok then replace the lid for another 5mins then remove your snake and pop it back in its viv
do this 2 times a day over 14 days the guy said he had 100% sucess rate using this method
the guy swears by it and days his family has used it since the 60's and wondered would olbas oil be a good modern alternative |
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 14:18:40
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| tbh, you dont need to do that at all, just raise the temps to about 30-31 and dry the viv out, works as well as anything else. No chemicals, nothing that potentially isnt rep safe. |
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smiffy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 14:33:53
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| your suggestion mike is my normal preffered course of action but i was wondering if this method would aid a particularly stubborn case of R I eg,long term or re-occuring cases with exception to cases caused bad husbandry. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 15:36:46
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Originally posted by smiffy89
your suggestion mike is my normal preffered course of action but i was wondering if this method would aid a particularly stubborn case of R I eg,long term or re-occuring cases with exception to cases caused bad husbandry.
The longer you leave an RI, the more deadly it gets and I would never chance it on some home remedy that may or may not work, just sounds like hocus pocus treatment for those who can't be bothered to go to a vet to me :/ But then again, I think all essential oils treatments on people and other treatments are just a load of bollocks in my opinion. To me, that treatment sounds like it may make the snake worse off than it was, warm warmer steaming and making it harder to breathe and causing more damp, vapour rub which is for humans and essential oils that do either nothing or are just harmful. For re-occurring cases, then there is something wrong with how the snake is being kept or it is a different problem that needs to be checked by a vet, pref a specialist, that knows what they are doing.
Sorry if that all came out a bit mean, of course I cannot agree or disagree if it works but I would never chance a treatment like that in the first place, that's all. It could easily work, I just hate to think how on earth he came up with this and how many snakes he has treated like this and if they actually had an RI. |
   
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smiffy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 16:30:22
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
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Originally posted by smiffy89
your suggestion mike is my normal preffered course of action but i was wondering if this method would aid a particularly stubborn case of R I eg,long term or re-occuring cases with exception to cases caused bad husbandry.
The longer you leave an RI, the more deadly it gets and I would never chance it on some home remedy that may or may not work, just sounds like hocus pocus treatment for those who can't be bothered to go to a vet to me :/ But then again, I think all essential oils treatments on people and other treatments are just a load of bollocks in my opinion. To me, that treatment sounds like it may make the snake worse off than it was, warm warmer steaming and making it harder to breathe and causing more damp, vapour rub which is for humans and essential oils that do either nothing or are just harmful. For re-occurring cases, then there is something wrong with how the snake is being kept or it is a different problem that needs to be checked by a vet, pref a specialist, that knows what they are doing.
Sorry if that all came out a bit mean, of course I cannot agree or disagree if it works but I would never chance a treatment like that in the first place, that's all. It could easily work, I just hate to think how on earth he came up with this and how many snakes he has treated like this and if they actually had an RI.
in theory i can see the reasoning behind the method so i shall not poo poo it quite as quick as some will,i think it needs more invesigation and also i would like to know if any 1 else uses this method
as for a re-occuring problems i understand the position your trying to aim from but just like all creatures in this world an unfortunate few are jus born with low immune systems and if this was the case with 1 of your pets would you not try other methods and in reality just because a person with a degree says their way is the best doesnt make it so, it just means it has a good average outcome and is profitable.
ps i dont want this post to become a heated debate where people offend each other just thought it would be a good topic to discuss |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 17:30:20
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I didnt want it to sound mean, I would just never use something that hasnt been tried and tested. There is weak immune system but there is also bad keeping, ris are mainly caused by damp. Yes vets charge a lot but you would go to a vet if it got so.bad as their methods are often quick and effective. Id also rather spend the money at a vet where it has more of a chance of working than a random gamble. If there was some explanation of how it works then id be more likely to believe it. For example, oil or fairy liquid baths seem like a cheap way to get rid of mites. Without an explanation of how and why it gets rid of mites plus the many people who haved used it, I doubt many people would use the method.
If other people have got it to work and can explain to me how it works id be very instrested how it does work though as if it does truely work for others, then it could be a viable treatment. |
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smiffy89
Hatchling
United Kingdom
342 Posts |
Posted - 17/11/2011 : 17:58:57
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| obviously its been tested by him the method has been passed down through generations in his family according to his post, back to the point at hand though i jus wanted to if any 1 else did anything similar and whether olbas was a good substitute not a informative yet over repeated rant on this forum about R I and as for the gamble bit of your reply a vet is a gamble its not 100% solid that he will cure anything.and half the reason for this thread was to see if some 1 had an explination of how it works. tbh honest i thought mike would know all about as he's usually clued up on most things |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 08:21:34
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But that's just him and his family, no one else but if anyone else has tried and tested it I would like to hear. I'm all up for home treatments that work over going to a vet when more people have tried and tested and said they have worked, I myself would just raise the temps as it's less faffing and less stress on a snake that is a bit under the weather and I can see the logic of how raising the temps help.
I am just not sure about the essential oils part that guy uses, that's the bit that threw me off as honestly, they do not do anything apart from smell nice, and this is not my opinion that they do nothing, this is science. They only way they work for people in a way is that people think they work therefore feel better and snakes don't have emotions like that. Unless we are talking about different ones? Olbas may work better, but a lot of human cold, flue and easy breathing products that you may be able to use safely for snakes help clear your nose so you can breathe, not actually get rid of the cold and fight it in humans, so I don't think it would get rid of the RI, just make it easier maybe for snake to breathe, which is nice but it doesn't help get rid of it. Maybe this treatment with turning up the temps? |
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SexyBear77
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
3796 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 11:22:06
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I *think* I know who this treatment is used by, and tbh he really does know his stuff. He's not just a hobby keeper either.
I would use this in conjunction with raised temps, definitely. It seems to have worked for many people. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 18/11/2011 : 18:43:02
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| Ah ok its not just one crazy guy then lol. I just dont understand how essential oils could help at all though? The vic sounds plausable though. It just seems like its a.method to help easier breathing though rather than to get rid of it unless you can get nti cold vic? |
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lotabob
Fully Grown Corn
United Kingdom
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Posted - 20/11/2011 : 00:58:24
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| I would follow the advice as Mike said, increase temps dry out see if that helps and if it doesn't have a noticeable positive effect quite quickly then medical intervention would be my next course of action. I wouldn't and couldn't prolong any illness and suffering by trying out different methods, my one aim would be to get the animal better no matter the cost of effort involved, if I ever got to the stage of been able to call an RI 'stubborn' I would question my actions and seek out a vet. |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/11/2011 : 02:23:14
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I'm sorry, but unless it's been properly tested, I wouldn't try anything for reptiles.
Otherwise it'd be a bit like saying that the reptile safe antibiotics are definitely safe for humans, then using it without testing.
On my way to make my foods I shall just inject myself with a couple cc's of baytril. Anyone know what'll happen??? |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
6129 Posts |
Posted - 21/11/2011 : 10:27:44
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
I'm sorry, but unless it's been properly tested, I wouldn't try anything for reptiles.
Otherwise it'd be a bit like saying that the reptile safe antibiotics are definitely safe for humans, then using it without testing.
On my way to make my foods I shall just inject myself with a couple cc's of baytril. Anyone know what'll happen???
A runny bottom at the very least I guess :P |
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