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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 30/05/2011 : 22:11:25
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| Hi I'm not new here I just haven't used this site for a while. But any way I'm just wondering I have a male amel, a female sunglow and my new addition is a female hypo stripped motley ghost. She won't be ready to bred for 2 years yet but what could I get from my male amel and my stripped motley. I want a stripped amel but I recon I'll have to bred back to the female. Please help in trying to figure out the possibilities in the genes |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2011 : 22:12:36
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| Just thought I will post photos |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2011 : 23:04:07
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if you breed the male to the sunglow, you will get amels, after all sunglow is just an amel selectively bred for low white.
should you breed him to the ghost stripe, then you will get normals het for hypo, motley, stripe, anery and amel.
if you want amel stripes then you would have to breed the young from the ghost stripe pairing to each other or to the amel father.
breeding back to the female wouldnt produce you any amels as she doesnt carry it, as far as you know anyway.
the best pairing would be to breed two or thee of the offspring back to each other, prove out some of their other hets. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 30/05/2011 : 23:16:06
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| Ok so it's not the young and the female I need to bred it's either the young back with the male or each other.what if I breed a young male with the sun glow coz then the males breed quicker. Also if just had a 16 egg clutch 13 were normal amels and 3 were candy cane I guess u get that alot with amels. |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 09:44:05
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If you breed the male amel to the female sunglow, then you will only get amels out, no stripes, no motleys.
i dont know where you get the 16 egg 13 normal 3 amel bit, amel to amel (remember that sunglow is amel) will give you all amels. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 12:25:51
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| What I mention was I had 16 eggs from the amel and sunglow and I got 3 candy canes come out is that normal. And with the strips I no I won't get the from amel and sunglow but when I bred my male amel to my female hypo ghost strip the hatchlings will be het for amels. So if I bred a hatchling male with my female sunglow will I get strip amels coz the male will then be hypo stripped ghost het amel |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 13:23:01
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| That's ment to say ment not mention |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 20:26:28
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it depends what you mean by striped motley. If its a motley that has a pinstripe pattern theres no guarantee that she is carrying stripe too. There is a possibility of her being het motley and stripe (which shows visual motley) and the only way to find out is by breeding.
To get your amel stripes (or to find out your female isn't het stripe) you'd need to do the ghost female x amel then breed the babies back together once they are old enough. If your ghost IS het stripe then these babies will be het motley OR stripe (they can't be both with a normal pattern) so you will need to take pot luck and get lucky you chose two het stripe offspring to breed together.
If you breed them back to the amel father like Mike says, you will have no chance of stripes because he doesn't have it to pass down. |
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 22:31:47
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| So basically even thou she's got the strip pattern she may not pass it on to the babies. And I have to bred the babies with each other this is starting to make sense. How can I up load pictures off my I phone to show you all my lil wonders |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 22:55:46
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very basically, both parents have to carry the same gene, beit for a pattern or colour mutation.
if the desired trait is visual on both parents, then all the babies will show it, if only one parent is visual, and the other is het, then only roughly 50% of the babies will show that trait.
with percentages, its a percentage CHANCE per egg, not per clutch, hence why i have 20 babies and more than 50% are anery, despite one parent only being a het.
if you know what both parents are showing, then you can guarantee that if the babies do not show it, then they are het for it, amel for example, one parent is amel, the other doesnt carry it, but because the one parent is showing it, all the babies will be het for it, so breeding them back together will give you a roughly 25% chance per egg of getting an amel.
even when you start talking silly percentages you very rarely get a clutch that doesnt show any of the hets out, unless you are seriously unlucky, such as a friend who bred a spider royal to a pastel expecting bumblebees (combination of spider and pastel, they are both dominant traits) and he only got normals!!! thats very rare though.
to upload pics, the best way is either photobucket or imageshack, then copy and paste the [img] link to your post. that way it will show as a photo and not just a link. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 23:10:46
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| Ok I will try and up load photos but i think I've got it now lol |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 31/05/2011 : 23:37:49
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Female sunglow
Amel male
Stripped hypo ghost |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 00:17:07
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| You can tell that just from the photo what about the strip by her head |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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mikerichards
don't say the 'M' word!
United Kingdom
2901 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 09:34:04
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this is a stripe mate.
With motleys, sometimes the saddles can join up so much that there is no border in between, so it looks like a stripe, but that does not mean it is a proper stripe.
The photo above was my male Ghost Stripe. |
Location : Worthing, West Sussex
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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marc_sg
Sub Adult
United Kingdom
1504 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 22:27:12
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| It is the motley gene that has the strip characteristics isn't it |
0.1.0 Amels (sid) 1.0.0 carolina stripe (simon)0.1.0 ghost (silva) 1.1.0 diffused/bloodreds (scarlet and samson)
1.0 staffy x beagle
soon to have female pin royal
R.I.P SHELLY
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Only1Nitro
Hatchling
United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 01/06/2011 : 23:19:27
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Was? What happened
also what do you think id get from a butter (female) and a snow (male)
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Originally posted by mikerichards
this is a stripe mate.
With motleys, sometimes the saddles can join up so much that there is no border in between, so it looks like a stripe, but that does not mean it is a proper stripe.
The photo above was my male Ghost Stripe.
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Male Charcoal = Sterling
Female Carolina = Fofo
Female Butter = Amarelo
12 Eggs
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eeji
The Morph Master
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What will I get out of.
