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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
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 Posted - 09/05/2011 : 22:48:55
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What are peoples oppinions? I have heard that it is bad as it 'concentrates bad genes' but it seems that it would create better morphs.
What problems, if any, does it cause?
If anyone could explain the genetics side id appriciate that too. |
0.1.0 Normal (Espher)
1.0.0 Snow (Midnight)
2 GALS
1 rat (Jasper)
1 very needy staffy (Coco)
Location: Ossett
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 23:12:17
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it is an essential part of creating new morphs.........
but for hobbyist breeders wanting to produce low-end/common morphs it's unneccesary IMO as there's so many corns out there there's simply no need to inbreed |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 09/05/2011 : 23:39:24
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yay for a few generations IF you are starting a new line from unrelated parents, then out cross once the desired genes have been recovered.
the 'concentrating bad genes' bit means there is more chance of recessive heterozygous 'bad stuff' becoming homozygous and also polygenetic 'bad traits' becoming more apparent. This applies to anything breedable, be it corns, humans, plants, anything at all. |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 10/05/2011 : 20:48:50
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Originally posted by eeji
This applies to anything breedable, be it corns, humans, plants, anything at all.
and that's why there's laws to prevent people inbreeding |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
Location:Leeds/York/Selby area |
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Kehhlyr
ǝʞɐɔ sǝʌoן
United Kingdom
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Posted - 10/05/2011 : 22:52:29
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quote:
Originally posted by eeji
........the 'concentrating bad genes' bit means there is more chance of recessive heterozygous 'bad stuff' becoming homozygous and also polygenetic 'bad traits' becoming more apparent. This applies to anything breedable, be it corns, humans, plants, anything at all.
Question about this to all who know:
Is things like Stargazers and wobblehead royals caused or partially caused by this??
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Originally posted by gingerpony
....and that's why there's laws to prevent people inbreeding
But it's cheaper though. Buying a present for my dad and my uncle at christmas means I only have to buy 1.
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
4335 Posts |
Posted - 11/05/2011 : 18:35:24
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Originally posted by Kehhlyr
Is things like Stargazers and wobblehead royals caused or partially caused by this??
i don't know a thing about royals, but stargazing corns I do. That is genetic and recessive so behaves like any other recessive morphs. As far as I know it was brought into captive collections from a wild caught individual, most likely het stargazer. For that het to become homozygous without the tall odds of breeding to another w/c het animal then inbreeding will have to have been done.
The scary thing is that a 'certain well known US breeder that has recently retired' knew they had SG in some of their sunkissed animals yet still bred them to everything in a bid to be 'first' with new combinations and encouraged others to do the same. After their retirement all the stock was sold off at good prices so SG will be rearing its head in more and more collections in the coming years. |
Forum - Guide to Cornsnake Morphs - Punnett Square Calculator - Breeder Directory
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QueenVic
Yearling
United Kingdom
849 Posts |
Posted - 20/05/2011 : 15:27:35
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Thats not cool...
It's a shame that some people are more bothered about the money or whatever than the actual snakes.
Madness. |
0.1.0 Normal (Espher)
1.0.0 Snow (Midnight)
2 GALS
1 rat (Jasper)
1 very needy staffy (Coco)
Location: Ossett
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Adsclarke
Hatchling
United Kingdom
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Posted - 21/05/2011 : 14:12:04
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Unfortunately this happens a lot. We've seen a number of "big" breeders come and go when they realise that there is not actually much money to be made from breeding and selling. Unfortunately things like this happen along the way :(
We're in the process of test breeding all our sunkissed animals for the stargazer gene.
Cheers
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Only1Nitro
Hatchling
United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 26/05/2011 : 23:57:48
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dumb question here
what is the stargazer gene?
cue the abuse lol |
Male Charcoal = Sterling
Female Carolina = Fofo
Female Butter = Amarelo
12 Eggs
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eeji
The Morph Master
United Kingdom
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Only1Nitro
Hatchling
United Kingdom
160 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2011 : 00:33:38
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| bless the poor things |
Male Charcoal = Sterling
Female Carolina = Fofo
Female Butter = Amarelo
12 Eggs
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FiestaSTLou
Yearling
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2011 : 09:49:11
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| Ooo id like to know about the royal spider morph wobble, when we got our spider, royal morphs did point out the wobble which was quite bad at the time, but shes so much more steadier now, i was told it was to do with the nerve system and not imbreading, but curious to know if it is down to imbreeding tho. |
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gingerpony
Queen Bee
United Kingdom
10455 Posts |
Posted - 27/05/2011 : 11:04:44
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| it is to do with the nervous system but the fact that all spiders show this trait to varying degrees is down to inbreeding |
cornsnakes, ratsnakes, bullsnakes, boas and day geckos
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FiestaSTLou
Yearling
United Kingdom
556 Posts |
Posted - 28/05/2011 : 00:57:04
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| aww right i understand, thank u :) |
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Inbreeding, yay or nay?
