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Invalid User
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 Posted - 25/02/2011 : 12:17:02
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Originally posted by Newbie 105
I have a glass viv and my mat is is inside under a thick layer of aspen but mines controlled by a thermo stat ?
There should only be a very thin layer of aspen over the heat mat.
The thermostat probe and thermometer probe should be reading from the same place so a good idea is to use a thin rubber band to hold them together.
The probes should be laying directly ontop of the heatmat NOT ontop of the aspen as suggested previously. Snakes can burrow down to the heatmat where it is warmest so you need to make sure you are monitoring the temps here, not ontop of the aspen as the readings will be different. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 12:48:57
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Yes ontop of the heatmat directly. My guys are always moving the aspen and just lying straight on the heatmat.
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Originally posted by stotty01
i dont seee why some rep shops dont use thermostats....as sureley they will get money from it wont they? safe to say when i bought medusa the first thing i was given was the thermostat :)
Because they could be from the olden days where most people didn't use stats anyway, just dimmers or they think they don't need it :s |
   
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Invalid User
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United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 13:25:45
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
Yes ontop of the heatmat directly. My guys are always moving the aspen and just lying straight on the heatmat.
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Originally posted by stotty01
i dont seee why some rep shops dont use thermostats....as sureley they will get money from it wont they? safe to say when i bought medusa the first thing i was given was the thermostat :)
Because they could be from the olden days where most people didn't use stats anyway, just dimmers or they think they don't need it :s
Olden days?? Stapey, you making me feel old  lol |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 13:49:14
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Originally posted by Louise32
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
Yes ontop of the heatmat directly. My guys are always moving the aspen and just lying straight on the heatmat.
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Originally posted by stotty01
i dont seee why some rep shops dont use thermostats....as sureley they will get money from it wont they? safe to say when i bought medusa the first thing i was given was the thermostat :)
Because they could be from the olden days where most people didn't use stats anyway, just dimmers or they think they don't need it :s
Olden days?? Stapey, you making me feel old lol
Haha sorry XD but yeh, the guy I got my 2 adult corns from was like 60, care for animals has drastically changed from what I know of 10 years and some people just don't keep up for it. In the last 10 years, I know of at least 3 really shocking changes to animal care |
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Estee Duvenage
Snake Mite
South Africa
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 17:30:02
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Hi All
I work at a petshop and feel its needed to state something here.
Some of us dont sell just for profit, some of us actually do try
to inform potential buyers and or pet owners. But all we can do
is try to inform. If buyers dont want to buy the MOST needed
(and expensive)item, what are we supposed to do? After explaining
all that is needed (heat,thermos,uv lights..) they seem content to
have a cold, sun deprived snake. They buy all thats needed apart
from the uv light... are we not to sell then. You buy a dog, but
instead of feeding the most expensive food, you feed a no-name brand,
are you not allowed to have a dog???
I just wish to state that its not the petshops at fault here, its the
ignorant and or un educated people.
I have problems with two of our corns, i am desperatly trying to
get some information on skin.. shedding... cracking of skin..????
If someone has some knowledge on this odd problem please let me know.
They havent fed since December, they shed twice in jan, but are still
"blue", they have shed completely.. once they shed the bottem
skin cracks and they shed again.... I soak, i oil, i mist.. i spray
shedding aid.. i have started treating the wounds now. I am
loosing them. They are in bad condition. |
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CentricMalteser
Banned
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 18:03:23
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essentials such as a thermostat and heatmat that are NEEDED that a customer refuses to buy should not be allowed a snake sold to them and the petshop should refuse unless they already have a set up
having a no brand name dog food, just means more food is required to give the correct amount of vitamins and minerals,
although dog food is essential , it does not mean having a particular brand is essential so have to say but the comparison here is wrong
sometimes its the petshop fault, and sometimes its the individual who has not done their research or they have but just are tight
but petshiops that dont look after their livestock properly or check ont heir stock are at fault as i have encoutnered recently at a particular petshop department in a garden centre
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Originally posted by Estee Duvenage
Hi All
I work at a petshop and feel its needed to state something here.
Some of us dont sell just for profit, some of us actually do try
to inform potential buyers and or pet owners. But all we can do
is try to inform. If buyers dont want to buy the MOST needed
(and expensive)item, what are we supposed to do? After explaining
all that is needed (heat,thermos,uv lights..) they seem content to
have a cold, sun deprived snake. They buy all thats needed apart
from the uv light... are we not to sell then. You buy a dog, but
instead of feeding the most expensive food, you feed a no-name brand,
are you not allowed to have a dog???
I just wish to state that its not the petshops at fault here, its the
ignorant and or un educated people.
I have problems with two of our corns, i am desperatly trying to
get some information on skin.. shedding... cracking of skin..????
If someone has some knowledge on this odd problem please let me know.
They havent fed since December, they shed twice in jan, but are still
"blue", they have shed completely.. once they shed the bottem
skin cracks and they shed again.... I soak, i oil, i mist.. i spray
shedding aid.. i have started treating the wounds now. I am
loosing them. They are in bad condition.
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Estee Duvenage
Snake Mite
South Africa
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 19:37:39
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I do agree. I was just referring to a matter today,
i had a customer come in to replace a bulb, she already
had a snake and whatever. I tried to explain to her that
heat and uv is more important then LIGHT. But she insisted
on spending less and only getting the bulb. I couldn't do more.
The other day someone wanted to buy my baby corns, i told
them, and explained five times i cannot as they haven't
eaten three times yet. The customer eventually phoned my boss,
told him i refused to sell stock and i have a witty attitude.
I have a written warning against me.
He still doesnt have one of my baby corns..
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Estee Duvenage
Snake Mite
South Africa
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 19:42:57
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Just to add
Petshops that dont look after their animals properly
should be closed, well done on getting rspca involved.
They can close a shop down if they deem fit.
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Invalid User
Account Deactivated
United Kingdom
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 19:52:16
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Originally posted by Estee Duvenage
Just to add
Petshops that dont look after their animals properly
should be closed, well done on getting rspca involved.
They can close a shop down if they deem fit.
I really wish that was the case but I know of a petshop that sells dogs and kittens many of them are sick, loads die within weeks of being bought. People protest regularly outside the shop. There have been many articles in our local paper about the sick pets being sold. It's been reported to the RSPCA many, many times yet they have not closed it ever in the 15 years that I have known it.
I can't even walk into the shop as the smell is so bad. The dogs are kept in tiny crowded corridors and last time I went in there, the kittens looked so ill I thought they were close to death yet the RSPCA don't seem to notice! |
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CentricMalteser
Banned
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Posted - 25/02/2011 : 20:52:17
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Estee, apologies if I came across wrong
in relation to your written warning, I would appeal against it, and if there isnt room for appeal contact HR or even Employment Tribunal because you have a strong case, especially if you give yours reasons, and print as many as you can copies of forums about hatchlings having their feeds, and also 48 hour handling rule etc, that should be enough to resolve that for you
and well done for standing your ground, many less confident people would buckle under pressure of a customer like that
and it is easy to say when your not in the situation yourself, but I would tell that lady, sorry not selling you something that isnt really suitable,
Thats what I mean Louise
and it's because RSPCA are limited, and they investigate and produce evidene but unfortunately in this country its down to the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) to decide a) if there is sufficient evidence to achieve a successful conviction, even if the judge downgrades, b) if its in the public interest
and the CPS in this country is rubbish, but the protesting is one way to add pressure to it, another is take pics and hidden video recordings, and contact your local BBC news team, they will air it on radio or even television, and that itself would mean less people visit this place which means less are bought
but unless its closed down, its going to still be a dilemma
cos a) pets not being bought, so they cannot b rescued looked after etc or even taken to the vet for being put out of misery if they cant heal
b) u still buy the pets, and the shop makes a profit, seeling neglected animals,
From my experiences with RSCPCA they do very good jobs, it's the CPS which is a let down, not with just animals either |
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 21:08:16
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Estree,
To be given a written warning, for either conduct or capability, your employer needs to be fair and reasonable in deliberation and execution.
You should have been invited to a disciplinary hearing, with at least 24 hours notice, by letter. The matters of concern to be discussed should have been indicated, you should have been afforded the right of representation by a work colleague or union rep, and you should have been informed of the possible outcomes of the hearing.
If your employer failed to do the above the warning is not fair or reasonable in the eyes of an employment tribunal.
You have also expressed concern regarding the treatment or possible treatment of an animal, this is a protected disclosure, to suffer a detriment for making a protected disclosure i.e a written warning, is automatically unfair and grounds to bring an employment tribunal against your employer.
Regards
Tim
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gmac
The Scottish Admin
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 21:14:05
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 21:20:13
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Graeme your'e a don.
To be honest instead of whining about how pet shops treat their animals because let's be honest, I doubt it'd change, I see this day in, day out..., Worry about treating your own animals correctly, and do the sensible thing and stop buying from there and hope that other people see the animals state, stop buying from there, and hope the business goes bust.
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 21:22:50
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RSPCA don't care unless they get money or fame from it... really that's how petty it has gotten. Not the people who volunteers fault, its a problem at the top spending over half the money they receive on donations by advertising but hey :/
Estee, they don't buy the UV light as it is not needed and they have done research that says they don't need it that's why :) |
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 21:55:10
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Originally posted by gmac
im very impressed with peoples knowledge on South African employment Laws, im not really sure the same rules apply there that do here.
As it happens gmac they do, South Africa's low court system is roughly modeled around the UK. |
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Sta~ple
qeeun speler
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 22:13:41
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 22:54:55
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Originally posted by Sta~ple
The key word there is roughly though :/
South African justice can be a little liberal, but it follows the same system of case law as the Uk because in recent history it was a colony.
I may dare to suggest that I am reasonably well informed in this particular topic. |
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hillzi
The Lost boy.
United Kingdom
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 23:06:27
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Originally posted by TimClynes
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Originally posted by gmac
im very impressed with peoples knowledge on South African employment Laws, im not really sure the same rules apply there that do here.
As it happens gmac they do, South Africa's low court system is roughly modeled around the UK.
What does this has anything to do with animal abuse? |
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Posted - 26/02/2011 : 23:23:13
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Originally posted by hillzi
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Originally posted by TimClynes
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Originally posted by gmac
im very impressed with peoples knowledge on South African employment Laws, im not really sure the same rules apply there that do here.
As it happens gmac they do, South Africa's low court system is roughly modeled around the UK.
What does this has anything to do with animal abuse?
Probably nothing at all, but I do know employment law, which is what I was responding to.
I do however abhor the mistreatment of any animal, and fail on a cellular level to understand how a cogent human being can deliberatly, or even inadvertantly, allow an animal trusted to his/her care to suffer |
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Estee Duvenage
Snake Mite
South Africa
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Posted - 27/02/2011 : 17:20:29
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Hey guys
Thanx for replies. I dont mind the warning against me, it was
given as i refused to sell with a snotty attitude. I will not
sell any animal that is not ready(too young ext), not healthy,
or sell an animal if i know the person is totally incompetent.
I will probably get plenty plenty more warnings !!!!!
(Dont think they are truly valid in this case anyway,
more to please the customer) My job is secure.
Luckily our South African SPCA services are pretty good,
they do regular spot checks on Pet Shops, and OH YES
THEY CLOSE THEM DOOOOOOOOOOWNNNNN...
You will not find a stinky shop, with half dying animals here.
Allot of people will close you down if they think something amiss.
Unfortunately that doesn't go for animals at homes. In bad
areas you will find scary things.
ANYWAY
Like i said my worries only go to those two snakes..
ANYBODY with comment on them? |
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how pet shops can stop neglect!!
